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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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deleted Mommy They're back
for the simple reason i am sick to fucking death of having my stuff turned into a flame war. and having the same flames fanned by Groepaz who as a fucking mod should be preventing this NOT trolling it.
Groepaz u love to quote rules at people so why wasnt the one pertaining to "release comments only, anything else will be deleted" acted upon?
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fade
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so you delete your release and further ensue a shitstorm?, come on maaaaaaann.. We're glad you dudes are back but seriously this kind of drama is only acceptable on irc and has to involve an american or spectrum user. |
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SIDWAVE
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I simply hate the internet, stuff like this is the order of the day because people behave like a kindergarten. |
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bfl
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Drama,baby,Drama...
Btw: CSDb isn´t CNET^^
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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While GRP is a master at subtle&cinic trolling which he actively masters, I remember the last of his comments there being polite exclamation of the gamma stuff in question. So on the other hand you seem to be too sensitive. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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too fcking right it isnt. this is by far the worst moderated site i have ever been on.
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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@oswald. the bloody rules get quoted on here ad nauseum. maybe the mods should actually follow them.
the comments all day on that release SHOULD have been moved to the forum by any one with any sense.
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chatGPZ
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also the entry will be restored, obviously =P
and if you think anything in said comments even remotely qualifies as "flame war", please have your reality checked. |
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fade
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-jXe0x4YdM <--this. |
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Marauder/GSS
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there was a flame war? eh, did I miss something!?
All I saw there was a discussion about gamma on the release comments, which indeed I agree should better be discussed in the forum where it belongs to... but this happens in other entries as well, so don't take it to serious or personal Steve... anyway, deleting the entry is a bit overreacting, isn't it? |
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chatGPZ
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and as for the comments frequently turning into discussions - live with it. its the most commonly broken rule and its commonly accepted that its like that appearently. personally i would remove the damned comments alltogether and *replace* them with the forum, because having both makes no sense, IMHO. but its not me to decide that :) |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
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popcorn, anyone? |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
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Why not just let the issue rest and everyone continues uploading screenshots with whatever palette/luma/feng shui they sleep best with. Get over it you cunts. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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but is IS you who can stop it and swap it to a forum. and it IS you who decided not to and to join in.
thereby flouting your own precious rules that u like to quote constantly.
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The Ignorance
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I prefer Chips... |
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Marauder/GSS
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where's Mermaid?? guess we all need a big GROUP HUG! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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<Post edited by chatGPZ on 21/8-2010 22:42>
Quote:but is IS you who can stop it and swap it to a forum.
all i could do would be deleting the comments, there is no way to "move" comments to the forum - unless manually, and i seriously cant be arsed to do it (nor any other mod).
Quote:and it IS you who decided not to and to join in.
sure, and it was me alone ofcourse. its not like everyone else participating in the discussion is equally at fault ofcourse =)
Quote:thereby flouting your own precious rules that u like to quote constantly.
theory vs common practise. i dont even want to imagine what would happen if we'd actually enforce that no discussion can be in the comments. hell, its so common *most* entries are like this. live with it. maybe the rules should simply be adjusted so you can be happy. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
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Quoting MyselfGet over it you cunts. Oh and before anyone gets their knickers twisted, that was meant in a friendly manner .. somewhat. |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
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Let me make a suggestion here:
Pete & Steve, why don't you hop on a plane and joins us in a couple of weeks at X 2010. I'm sure these kinds of petty arguments can all be cleared up over a few beers.
The internet is a ghastly place for discussions. ;)
I for one would look forward to meeting you...
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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@groepaz
i dont't quite know how to stress this enough?
YOU ARE A FUCKING MOD! and the ONLY mod on there.
you aren't supposed to get involved in shit. you are supposed to stop it.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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time to pouetize the thread:
\:D/ |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
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Steve, seriously.
You are currently witnessing the usual course of these kind of discussions around here.
I urge you for the sake of all of us who want to see you stick around here and enjoy your work to come (hopefully), let it rest.
Most of us here have been down that road here on csdb.
Compromise. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:and the ONLY mod on there.
no i am not. there are zyron and communist and perff and creamd and dishy ... they just cant be arsed to get involved and choosed to care about stuff that actually matters - ie the database. and i cant stress enough how glad i am about it. (oh and thanks to the bunch of trusted users too, who do the same)
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JCB
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Quote: Let me make a suggestion here:
Pete & Steve, why don't you hop on a plane and joins us in a couple of weeks at X 2010. I'm sure these kinds of petty arguments can all be cleared up over a few beers.
The internet is a ghastly place for discussions. ;)
I for one would look forward to meeting you...
Personally I'd love to but until I sell my house I'm pretty much penniless. :(
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The Communist
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JCB: Sell yourself, won't be too hard after a few pints of snakebite ;) |
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JCB
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Quote: JCB: Sell yourself, won't be too hard after a few pints of snakebite ;)
I'm only suitable for medical experimentation these days :) |
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chatGPZ
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Quote:Let me make a suggestion here:
Pete & Steve, why don't you hop on a plane and joins us in a couple of weeks at X 2010. I'm sure these kinds of petty arguments can all be cleared up over a few beers.
The internet is a ghastly place for discussions. ;)
I for one would look forward to meeting you...
and you bring up a very important point here - a lot of us know each other, personally and for years - which makes it possible to handle some things a lot more relaxed.
dont take it all so super serious. or if you do, go make a demo about it =P |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
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YES! Give us a hate-demo fueled with some real hot flaming hate! Digitized electric guitars and fuckings all over! :)
...and I have to agree that I don't think that any of Groepaz comments on that picture was flaming really. I mean.. I think the comments on gamma were all to the point. Perhaps even slightly more so than usual. ;) |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
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Quote: @groepaz
i dont't quite know how to stress this enough?
YOU ARE A FUCKING MOD! and the ONLY mod on there.
you aren't supposed to get involved in shit. you are supposed to stop it.
Groupaz is cool.. i love this site, please.. just shut the fuck up. You did some nice graphics in the past; back then you were cool. Now you are acting like a retarded old man. That's all i would like to say. Please do some pixels...
i'm going for the popcorn btw :)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:YES! Give us a hate-demo fueled with some real hot flaming hate! Digitized electric guitars and fuckings all over! :)
i am waiting for this since the baracuda/crypt incident. it's about time really! |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 210 |
oww come on! Here we go again!
don't get me wrong, I like a good row once in a while. But why does it always have to be about the same thing.
Why can't someone fuck somebody else his/her girl/guy/dog/sheep and get some testosterone going over that.
Or better...
Why can't we all be friends?
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
cool? me? never happened.
and this? this is a minor squabble which is insignificant when placed against the ones on partyline which could last for months. you really should read JCBs scrollers properly in future. the "war" with the paras and Zig and Zag lasted AGES.
we're in it for the long haul.
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
Is this all a joke on how it was earlier in the scene... remember some wars that came from nowhere back then... he he... but... all in all it is really really odd to see people so jumpy all the time... are all on medication in here... hope not. Let us be friends and do something cool with the hobby we do care so much for. Cool logo as mentioned before STE'86, create some more cool art. Hey... all of you, create something for a party or release soon too... |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224 |
This certainly reminds me of something back in 2007... About mods and CSDb and "If you see any of those baggy pants it was huge chuck the hills".
I'd say, keep up the work. Let someone else have the joy of releasing it here.
The scene is not this database and you'd probably enjoy being a voyeur participating when you feel like it.
My experience is that it's lovely to vote and comment, but the real work is done back home,
far from the net and contacts other than the persons I've chosen to be my friends or whom I choose to show my work to.
I've had some great moments here, but the most promising outcomes have been outside this (cough) "museum".
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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Hmm.. off to write in a disk magazine.
Re-direction of energies required, who knows what might happen... maybe I can get the mag out and then focus on something new. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
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Looking forward to the next issue, it will be full of love I presume... |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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PAL: well, full of passion - but also some aggressiveness here and there. Oh, and a really cool interview with someone too. :D |
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Wile Coyote
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@STE'86
I see where you are coming from. Some time ago, I uploaded a release here on CSDb. Someone took upon themselves to post 2 inappropriate comments, both in the User Comments and Production Notes. I deleted the entry, as I was its maintainer. The entry re appeared complete with original comments, with Groepaz set as maintainer. I emailed the mod(s) / Groepaz and received no reply. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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thats the worst part of moderation here. you can email the mods, but you will get no fucking reply. nil. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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if you go the proper route you will. always. (email is the wrong route. i dont remember getting any from you oswald though). ofcourse repeating the same thing and whining constantly will get you ignored. that should go without saying =)
and as for the comments in an entry - they are hardly ever a reason to delete an entry. and the truth is never inappropriate, not even in an antry like Dark Dream.
YOU wec, got a reply. twice. ofcourse you ignored it and tried again and again and again and thats why the entry got locked. and it wasn't me deciding it, it was decided by all mods (and you generally can assume we discuss shit like this internally). and it was finally locked by me, because - scroll back and read what i already said - the other moderators choosed to not give a fuck about that kind of quarrels, and since i was declared the evil nazi moderator pig by some of you already anyway, i can just aswell do the dirty work and have the other mods work peacefully and not waste their precious time with that bullshit. i can live with that :)
and now, really, go make a demo about it. all of you. |
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Wile Coyote
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It would be a good idea if, anyone who uploads a release that they are involved with should have the rights to moderate the comments should they wish to do so. Not edit comments, simply delete. It would save having to contact the mods, who seriously cant be arsed as Groepaz puts it. |
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chatGPZ
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that would pervert the idea of having comments quite a bit. comments are also for stuff that someone might not like, such as the truth. |
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SIDWAVE
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A proper mod would enable the "Lock thread" long ago.. |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
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Perhaps it would be useful to add a button/link for each comment that lets the maintainer flag a particular comment for moderation? (You could even extend this to let anyone flag any comment, but such a user privilege should be revokable by a moderator if it is being abused.)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i am not sure if that would really solve anything.
some may remember how it all started and why moderation regarding the forum and comments is now handled like it is. at one point it was much more strict, mods put a lot of work and time into keeping the forum and comments "clean" - and the result was complaints and whining. then they stopped doing it (and some mods completely quit, because they didnt feel like dealing with that crap anymore) and the result was complaints and whining.
so, honest, i dont expect more than complaints and whining if such mechansim would be in place. what exactly would it change and why? |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
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Quote: It would be a good idea if, anyone who uploads a release that they are involved with should have the rights to moderate the comments should they wish to do so. Not edit comments, simply delete. It would save having to contact the mods, who seriously cant be arsed as Groepaz puts it.
In general the comment politics in this db is ok like it is. When comments are not offensive or insulting and just e.g. describe the quality of the product or discuss the product itself they can stay otherwise they get deleted like it happened in the past. And for your given example, I think you reacted a little bit thin-skinned. There is also something like free speech. If we would censor everything which could be ment insulting people would call us depressors of free speech.
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
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Quote: A proper mod would enable the "Lock thread" long ago..
text above matches also |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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I've requested it in the past with Perff, and he told me others have also, the maintainer should have the option to turn comments off for that entry. |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
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Quote: I've requested it in the past with Perff, and he told me others have also, the maintainer should have the option to turn comments off for that entry.
But you should remember that same maintainers are/could be biased. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
ooohhhh... booooring... The simple way to get a better forum is to behave, not more functions or rights and rule...
This forum is quite pleasant and nice most of the times but when something goes just off topic it is like all mass explode and jump in and everyone wants the others to understand their point, like myself. But when one do think about it, who am I to think that my opinion is the right one, the world will stand another day without me shouting or posting 100 posts with my opinions...
Are we nerds the new gay? The feminine way of being male?... We are men, we should just say "well, fuck that, whats the next thread..." |
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chatGPZ
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Quote:Are we nerds the new gay? The feminine way of being male?
go make a demo about it, damnit! :=) |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
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maybe I will do just that... for the love of it... there are a lot to take from in a story here at csdb I guess! ;-) |
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T.M.R
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"The feminine way of being male?"
[Looks innocent, wanders off whistling...] |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
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yup.. wasted who knows how many minutes reading through another thread I knew was gonna be a waste of time, so I might as well whine a bit..
Who teh fuck uploads stuff to a site, which allows people to comment freely, expecting only positive feedback?
It's like asking "honey, how do I look today?" - sometimes you'll get a "fine hun.. apart from those ugly ass pants"
reading through threads like this one, one would get the impression that some people's response to the "ugly ass pants" comment from above would be "fuck wUHAAT?!? you didn't just say that, you're not allowed to say that, take it back NOW or I'll remove my pants"
...mission accomplished?
- Just be REAL glad the bitch didn't comment on something more permanent. |
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JCB
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The problem isn't negative feedback, it's off topic posts that turn into arguments. |
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Jon
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Compared to 5 years ago, the mods here are the tops. I like Groepaz and Zyron quite a bit, because they have a great deal of respect for the DB and the protocols that it follows. The old mods... not so much. I had an old mod relentlessly troll my PMs and my releases. Long live the new mods.
J
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
Ste, just relax man, you seem so angry all the time!
I know some comments might've been left to provoke you, but then you always take the bait.
Each time you start a thread like this, or respond to some geek boy comment elsewhere, you just catapult yourself back into the drama again.
Is this crap really that important? Think happy thoughts! Pixels not politics! :)
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Wile Coyote
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/what JCB said. It's not about positive or negative comments, those can both be viewed as constructive, and acceptable. It is the comments that do not relate to the release, or coments that are personal. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Man, you all have a considerable amount of time for... Well, nothing :D
Can you hear that thin, decaying voice, calling you?
Your C64 is waiting for you. Fracture of these energies here runnin' down to the sink would make demos, pix, SIDs, whateverities... |
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
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Are you serious? And someone wrote this is something they would expect from an "American"??? LOL!!!! It's funny I look back on the scene as to when people would talk shit about this at that, him or her!
What would happen? War demo! BETTER PRODUCT (demo, graphics)! Or an Ass kickin (more of an extreme, but still)
It's like the forums/comments are making people into serious PUSSIES!! WTF??? Trust me this doesn't come from an american, because someone (nowadays) would be getting a serious ass kickin!
On a serious note tho, I can understand where your coming from as it seems a lot of scener's on here do. But the fact of the matter is if you or anyone else releases something here expect to have comments. Expect to have flame wars, expect to have shithead's do nothing! ACCEPT IT!
If it's that bad create something better and then tell them to shut the fuck up! Sometimes it hard to accept some comments, especially if you've worked on something for a good amount of time and people just rag all over it.. But that's life dude, the SCENE life! It's been here from the beginning and will be until the end!
So stop huffin/puffin and go make some better releases! LOL!! Or go kick someone's ass and THEN make a demo about it! LOL!!! Get some pics also cause you know everyone wants to see those pics!!!
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
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Quoting KickbackOr go kick someone's ass and THEN make a demo about it! Amen to that, brother. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
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Quoting Kickback (again)It's like the forums/comments are making people into serious PUSSIES!! You had me all cracked up and laughing tears there. Amen again. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Ass kicking over some scene release? HAHA! What is this, fourth grade? I could understand that attitude when most of us were fifteen years old, but most of us are adults now, in fact, majority of us are 35+ years old.
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Stainless Steel
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Aww come on loosen up a bit now will ya, we're trying to have us some retro-group therapy session here. |
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
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Quoting MolochAss kicking over some scene release? HAHA! What is this, fourth grade? I could understand that attitude when most of us were fifteen years old, but most of us are adults now, in fact, majority of us are 35+ years old.
I said that because from the sound of it some people are ACTING like they are STILL 14! Very much true most people are above 35 here BUT if you feel that STRONGLY about your stuff then an ass kickin isn't out the question! A bit extreme but some of the stuff mentioned here IS a bit extreme! I mean I know where you dude LOL!!! |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Please try and not drink your US$2 40oz before posting ... next time maybe someone will understand what you're posting.
;)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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no, drink MORE before posting i say ! |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
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It's simply BBS anarchy taken to the net - it's c64-/b/ - deal with it and FUCKIN QUIT WHINING!
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
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Quoting Count ZeroIt's simply BBS anarchy taken to the net - it's c64-/b/ - deal with it and FUCKIN QUIT WHINING!
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Perplex
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Quote: no, drink MORE before posting i say !
It certainly wouldn't hurt for some people to smoke a joint or two before engaging in discussions here. :-P |
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Sixx
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Frantic
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Okay.. Now that a GANJA leaf was posted, I guess the thread cannot get any better anyway. Time to close it perhaps? :) |
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Kickback
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COME YOU CANTZ SHUT THEZE BITCH DOWN NOW!!!! HIC!! 40's FORZ LIFE BABY!!! |
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Wile Coyote
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Kickback
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Awwwww come on Broad's (Bitches!) , Bomb (weed) and Booze! You can't get no better then that!!! Three B's baby!!!! Just what a growing man needs LOL!!! |
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