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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
CSDb - Quantify me - did you know...
...that only the proportion of sceners from Norway, Denmark, Sweden and The Netherlands that were younger than the median estimated age of 17 for first credit listed at CSDb was significantly larger than the proportion older than or equal to the median? (alpha 0.05, z-test, Bonferroni corrected).
In other words, sceners coming from Norway, Sweden, Denmark and The Netherlands were overall younger than 17 at the time the product that was entered in CSDB was actually released. Thus, the majority of sceners coming from those countries were younger than 17 when they first entered the scene and got their first credit, according to CSDb. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
...that sceners coming from Turkey, UK, Germany, Australia and the US were overall statistically significantly older than 16 (17 or higher) when they got their first credit in the scene according to CSDb? |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
@Mr.Mouse: As a scener from Turkey, I'd like to remind you CSDB database doesn't have it all. My first scene product in CSDB is dated 1996 (when I was 16) but check this out (site is in Turkish):
http://www.akaydin.com/zamazingo/
This site includes a few of my earlier works. Some of them are released but not widely spreaded. So, I think your research shows either scener from Norway, Sweden, Denmark and The Netherlands were started releasing proper stuff earlier or they were more shameless than us and uploaded all their trash here. ;) |
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TWW
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 545 |
Pfft..
Everyone knows the Vikings where the first... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: ...that only the proportion of sceners from Norway, Denmark, Sweden and The Netherlands that were younger than the median estimated age of 17 for first credit listed at CSDb was significantly larger than the proportion older than or equal to the median? (alpha 0.05, z-test, Bonferroni corrected).
In other words, sceners coming from Norway, Sweden, Denmark and The Netherlands were overall younger than 17 at the time the product that was entered in CSDB was actually released. Thus, the majority of sceners coming from those countries were younger than 17 when they first entered the scene and got their first credit, according to CSDb.
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Quote: @Mr.Mouse: As a scener from Turkey, I'd like to remind you CSDB database doesn't have it all. My first scene product in CSDB is dated 1996 (when I was 16) but check this out (site is in Turkish):
http://www.akaydin.com/zamazingo/
This site includes a few of my earlier works. Some of them are released but not widely spreaded. So, I think your research shows either scener from Norway, Sweden, Denmark and The Netherlands were started releasing proper stuff earlier or they were more shameless than us and uploaded all their trash here. ;)
You don't have to remind me of anything. I'm just stating the facts as they are in CSDb now. I'm not saying that is 100% representative of the 'scene' as it was. Why not help increase the accuracy of the database by releasing your 'trash' here as well, as you put it (don't be shamed, we all released crappy stuff). If not, please don't complain about the data. ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
for curiosity, whats the relation of sceners who actually have a valid date of birth and those who have not? somehow i think that most have not, meaning these numbers are quite... random =P |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Indeed. There are only valid numbers for A. those that have any release at all, plus B. that have a valid birth year. That is only around 2200 sceners. There are ~17000 listed, so go figure In addition, approx 5000 have no release credited at all, and one wonders what the hell they are doing in this database anyway.
But, it is good that these numbers are random as you put it. Because that makes it possible to calculate a representative number, see? And luckily the numbers are large enough to do that. Statistics dictate you need sufficient numbers, and CSDb has those. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
- I'd like to remind you...
- You don't have to remind me of anything
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:There are only valid numbers for A. those that have any release at all, plus B. that have a valid birth year. That is only around 2200 sceners. There are ~17000 listed, so go figure
i see... ~12% or so then... you should tell that kind of stuff from the start :) it'd be interesting to see how many of these birth dates were entered by the persons in question themselves (as others often guessed them from what they read in scrolltexts, mags etc)
Quote:In addition, approx 5000 have no release credited at all, and one wonders what the hell they are doing in this database anyway.
hehe =P |
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Jon
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
Quoting Mr. Mouse In addition, approx 5000 have no release credited at all, and one wonders what the hell they are doing in this database anyway.
My bet is that they are part of a release group, but have no releases specifically for their own name.
For example, take Jimmy Z-- A very prominent scener, but he was just a sysop (as far as the CSDb is concerned, anyway)
Jimmy Z!
Some groups had members who paid for their membership (Hellstar/FBR) and others had members whose sole task was to provide LD codes for the group and otherwise did nothing. Others were let in a group because they were RL friends or because they were "cool" on a BBS but otherwise contributed nothing to the group or the scene as a whole.
But that's a subject for some other day. I am really interested in your numbers. Do you have the data available anywhere?
NjB
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Yes and no. Guys are right, weighted or not these stats can't cover everything in such an amorphous substance (no pun intended) that is measured - but interesting facts, indeed.
Considering all the effort gone into this, I'd prefer numbers that you feed into SID instead of stats. I wonder, how many new tunes would you have been able to create during the time in consumed? ;) |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Pretty interesting subject thou. I remember Hysteric wanted me and Tom to pay money being members. Although it had some sense, ..to buy originals, we laughed about it while talking to eachother cause this was an absolute no-go for both of us. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927 |
Did you know that harvesting CSDb puts unnecessary stress on this tiny little server and makes others get error messages and incomplete pages?
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Quote: Did you know that harvesting CSDb puts unnecessary stress on this tiny little server and makes others get error messages and incomplete pages?
Yes, and that's why I worked with Perff and he made sure it wouldn't put a burden on the server. |
