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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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I think its a shame to see ILLUSION down on #44 place. But i guess its the users on csdb who makes the charts! and we got only 20 votes!!
Hero/ILLUSION
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
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Well it is not that easy to compete with demo or demo/cracking groups if you are "just" crackers.
Better check the top "cracker groups" section there you are #17 in alltime. Well if you wipe out the older groups you are on top anyways.
And don't actually think that these charts mean anything .-D
A lot of hyping, a lot of overweight nostalgia, downvoting and old stuff normally hasnt got any chance anyways.
So the charts are more or less just some fun stuff.
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130 |
don't take those charts too serious, illusion is at #11 on the cracker charts and that should be enough for them/you. i think it's a shame that gwb is the president of usa and a shame that sweden is not member of the euro-zone, but as you said csdb users decide/vote. |
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Westbam
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Well Harry, Illusion / Legend on #11 and #12 but Beyond Force on #2... I don´t get it either but it is the way people vote. I don´t think that is to be taken too serious I guess...
Remember the old disk mags? The voting in the cracking magazines that lived of votings from people that called the top boards were always decent in one way or another but the mags who mainly got mailtrader votings were already kinda fucked up back then...
btw we all know that Illusion was lame as hell anyhow and they made it on #11 so far.... Buhahaha!
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: I think its a shame to see ILLUSION down on #44 place. But i guess its the users on csdb who makes the charts! and we got only 20 votes!!
Hero/ILLUSION
Hi Harry.
I can only agree with you - and Slator too indeed. ILS sure have deserved some more votes. Illusion at #44 is way to low, I think. But atleast you should be glad, that Illusion actually haven´t got any of those downvotes (yet!?!?). Look at Dominators, Ikari, Legend, Chromance, Talent and other top groups, and you´ll see, that some people actually voted "1" and "2". That I don´t understand!!! How can someone actually vote "1" on a group like DOMINATORS? I also think an old group like Nato(Hi Tiger) deserves much more votes. Not only were Nato awesome on the cracking scene with crackers like Megasnail etc., but also Maduplec/Crest made some great demos/coding for them back then. And I could go on and on like this. But ILS at #44 today in the year of 2004, hehe.. Yes, that just confirms me about, that it´s a hell lot of years ago since I was active on in the C64.
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Gee i feel like 18 again. I have always loved the Charts. And still do. Well we went from # 44 to # 17 on Top Groups, and am glad to see Legend at # 18.. haha Westbam. And we are Nr # 11 at cracker charts, and Legend at # 12. Haha Mike. THE HIGHEST CLIMBER THIS WEEK ILLUSION!! THJHHOOO
we had some good fights back then Westbam. And thanx to evrybody who votes! i think this is fun!
HERO/ILLUSION
There is only 1 Harry
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
Me again!
Feel free to vote for Hero toooooooooooooooooo!
perhaps someone can add some Charts from 1989 - 1993
Harry
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Westbam
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Sorry but Nato is somehow something like Zenith. They had loads of warez in their prime time and loads of bad or nonworking cracks...
Actually votes are always pulled on subjective points of view from the person itself. So if someone considered Beyond Force for example the best cracker group he saw, it´s ok. It is his opinion and that´s fine...
As I said, I for myself consider Zenith for example a crap group because Steve couldn´t crack a fuck... |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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well Zenith had their top. And Steve was a nice dude.
So i think Zenith was a good group. And Mike you had your top when you called yourself Narc!hehe
Harry
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Well Mike, atleast this is actually my frankly opinion about Nato. I´m not saying that Nato was able to cope with Legend, Ikari,Dominators, Papillons etc. on only the cracking part, but I certainly do think, that if you look at Nato as an overall group - both as a demogroup(B.U.D.S. with Maduplec)and crackinggroup with Maduplec/Dominators and Megasnail, I actually think they did very well.
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Nato : well i remember when i was a swapper, i think i dude called Tiger in Nato, was sending me disks almost everyday. guess i have some disks who belongs to him. He was a good swapper.
Harry
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: Well Mike, atleast this is actually my frankly opinion about Nato. I´m not saying that Nato was able to cope with Legend, Ikari,Dominators, Papillons etc. on only the cracking part, but I certainly do think, that if you look at Nato as an overall group - both as a demogroup(B.U.D.S. with Maduplec)and crackinggroup with Maduplec/Dominators and Megasnail, I actually think they did very well.
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy
As cracking group, I was too fast to write this. I would have written " with Macro Nit/DOM, and Megasnail"..
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: Nato : well i remember when i was a swapper, i think i dude called Tiger in Nato, was sending me disks almost everyday. guess i have some disks who belongs to him. He was a good swapper.
Harry
Tiger was one of my friend back then. He also works with computers too day. The guys who were calling in the states in 1989-90,91 would probably remember him..
But Harry, you can give me the disks at The Party 2004, you pméd me about, haha
What ever - I liked Nato, but it´s 12-13 years ago Tiger and Maduplec left for Crest, so who cares now anyway!
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
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@Hero: About the Illusion stuff. The good thing were Illusion did some great stuff, but problem is its not common on the net. You can only find a limited number of Illusion cracks. I know when I try to find the stuff it can be hard to find more cracks.
About Nato : I cant remember how much about if the Nato crack worked or not, but personally I like some of Megasnails work back then. Also think it was funny with the a/n trainers - ay and nay |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: @Hero: About the Illusion stuff. The good thing were Illusion did some great stuff, but problem is its not common on the net. You can only find a limited number of Illusion cracks. I know when I try to find the stuff it can be hard to find more cracks.
About Nato : I cant remember how much about if the Nato crack worked or not, but personally I like some of Megasnails work back then. Also think it was funny with the a/n trainers - ay and nay
@Mason: Talking about Ulrik(Tiger), didn´t you get in touch with him again some years ago? If so, what´s he doing today? Hmmm Mason, about Nato. I also remember you mentioned Crossbow/Crest and Maduplec/NATO/Crest as your all-time favourite coders, and NATO, Noise and Crest as your all-time favourite demogroups in an interview for Domination some time ago. So guess I´m not the only one who actually think, that NATO was an awesom overall group with some really talented members.
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Westbam
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Quote: Well Mike, atleast this is actually my frankly opinion about Nato. I´m not saying that Nato was able to cope with Legend, Ikari,Dominators, Papillons etc. on only the cracking part, but I certainly do think, that if you look at Nato as an overall group - both as a demogroup(B.U.D.S. with Maduplec)and crackinggroup with Maduplec/Dominators and Megasnail, I actually think they did very well.
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy
Well sure, I for myself am basically building up my opinion on the cracking side as I am qualfied to judge this I guess. I ain´t the person to discuss things on the demos matter as I was simply too far away from this scene. Imagine, I coded three different games on 64 and never finished them as I simply did not have the patience to complete them, how in heaven could I dare to judge the work of these raw dudes coding the 64 to it´s limits ??? But cracks from Nato or Zenith on the other hand never gave me a taste of being impressed. Doubtless both of these groups should be remembered as a huge contribution to the C64 but I do not consider them among the top cracking groups at all...
However, tell me if I´m wrong but I think I remember that Nato bought BUDS into the group who was a fully made up demo group on it´s own, wasn´t it ?
In my eyes there was nothing that could be compared to the constant high standard release rush groups like Ikari(+Talent of course), Illusion, Dominators or Legend posessed. That does not mean that the others weren´t worth to be mentioned, where would the scene have gone to without pioneers like ESI for example? I just think that this was the creme de la creme besides many many other top groups. It could also been just a lucky point in time that these groups were kicking when high standarts in cracking were necessary to get on the peak considering levelcrunching (IFFL for example), mega training and fixing bugs inside original games. Also it has to be considered that this was the time when the ntsc fixing skills of people like Horizon, Pudwerx, X-Factor, Grim Reaper or Booze were a huge part of your chance on getting a first release.
I mean come on, americans sure will remember the times before these dudes were around in anger with all these semi fixed flickering and constantly crashing euro wares...
As I said, my primary aim was making the game a world wide first release, I didn´t really do much mail scene or demo scene so the bbs scene is my first choice to build up my opinion on and these guys were the ones that knew how to play this game perfect... |
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Westbam
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Quote: well Zenith had their top. And Steve was a nice dude.
So i think Zenith was a good group. And Mike you had your top when you called yourself Narc!hehe
Harry
Hehe sorry Harry, I supplied much more games under my next handle than I did on this handle. The difference was that I did not care about being mentioned on everything anymore. It was nice to see yourself being mentioned on a first release but after my break in end 1990 / early 1991 I had paid in full and my life had changed during this break a lot I think....
But hey, those were the days and glory was for the few...
Man, imagine for how many years we know each other now back since mail trading in 1986 or something and we have never met... THAT is sad! |
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midfit
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@Westbam: Your post about "chances to get the first release.." remind me on the late situation in the Commodore 64 scene.
Games got rare and everybody was seeking for some small bugs which could justify a 100% release. Kudo's to the boys in Avantgarde for inventing the "Ah! I have found some flickering rasterbug on the right side of my HDTV" fixing. That made the first release and every group agreed with that sorry situation. How poor and sad, because actually that wasn't all about quality, but more about hunting for points.
I guess that was the signal that set the end for me (Concerning C64). My Nonbelievers should say "How wise, you couldn't do shitjack anyway"... I know it is frustrating to see my tread marks and failing big time :)
Best regards,
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
Mike : yeah its 20 years in 2006. Gee.. am getting old. Am hoping to go to the x-2004 in Holland. what about you? perhaps i will be in Holland 2-3 days before the party starts. Would have been fun to see ya there.
Harry
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Westbam, ok I see what you mean.
You wrote:
"However, tell me if I´m wrong but I think I remember that Nato bought BUDS into the group who was a fully made up demo group on it´s own, wasn´t it ?"
I do not remember this, but according to a scrolltext in the NATO-demo Dodger all done by Maduplec, "B.U.D.S. was more like a trademark for maduplec's best work, than an actual group."
According to Dodger which for sure is a Nato-production I actually think, that B.U.D.S. should never have been created in heer as an individual/separate group, because as Maduplec wrote - it´s not an actual group, but a trademark..... Which again means, that the votes in this case for B.U.D.S should have been entitled/added to Nato instead of BUDS, coz BUDS isn´t an actual group anyway.
Hmm - just some ideas and thoughts. But it´s a long time ago now, and it´s impossible to make "The C64 Scene Database" 100% correct, but yes atleast it is very impressing, that so many old sceners actually care about the c64scene(-history) after all those years, and pretty nice to see, that some old sceners still stick together - guess that´s what you call C64-solidarity:-)
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psychobilly/x-RSI
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To my view it does not make sense to have "all time" charts anyway.
Each time had its leading groups - without a meaningful basis to compare those without considering the context and the time these rankings are pointless.
The quality and amount of games released, the technological advances of crackers and software firms, the number and size of cracking groups are important variables which over time varied too much that such comparisons could be made objective. All what you get is a subjective and non-representative view of a few people who have no full information (nobody presumably could have that over time) on these critical variables and bother to vote at all.
Just an example I see on the right.. was Jazzcat the best diskmag editor of all times?? How about Antichrist/OMG or Skater/Censor? Or Gotcha? Can anybody compare them objective? On what basis? Or could it be that each of these guys had ruled the diskmag scene for a certain amount of time? Did Eaglesoft ever competed with Legend or Illusion?
Just my perspective, keep on voting... ;)
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midfit
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Hehe.. How true .. How true. I had some talk with Radar some days ago and we exactly discussed what you've been saying with your post, Stefan. It is 100% nonsense to compare groups or disk mags of today with groups or disk mags of yesterday. Best is to seperate charts, while it is still more about personal sympathy as rating some ware or skills. Or to establish ACTIVE people charts only. Or even drop charts, because .... :)= ... Uh well.. Just my opinion.
Best regards,
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Westbam
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Harry : Powerplant, Goldfish and myself are planning to go to the X2004 actually. We are not 100% sure yet but it´s most likely we will all show up. Would be rgeat to meet you aswell finally...
Psychobilly : As I said, I do not take these charts serious aswell. |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Stefan, you sure are right on that one!
About Nato.
Well, I just downloaded Dodger at www.c64.ch, and in the first scrolltext Maduplec writes this:
"If you vote for this demo vote only for Maduplec or Nato. Please don´t vote for the Buds, as it´s only a trademark I use................................"
So guess thats enough about it. Please stop voting for Buds and add the votes to Maduplec or Nato.
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Westbam
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I see, however I am almost sure I remember demos from back then by Maduplec done under BUDS before he even joined Nato...
But as I said, I am almot sure, not 100%... |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Reminds me about the good old saying;
People cant vote, people are idiots!
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
Quote: Reminds me about the good old saying;
People cant vote, people are idiots!
well trazan, that sounds very true :-D
yours truely governator, G.W. Schwarzenegger |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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yeah that would be great Mike. perhaps we can go to a better resturant and have nice talk about the old days and grab a beer/win or whatever you drink.
Harry
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Radar
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Quote: yeah that would be great Mike. perhaps we can go to a better resturant and have nice talk about the old days and grab a beer/win or whatever you drink.
Harry
Actually, I suppose that some of us should stick together and have a decent meal instead of boozing the party place 24hours a day. We chose the people and make sure that only those who are wanted join the 'intern meeting' then. Also I personally never liked the idea to sleep at party-places and I always prefered a decent hotel - and will do this time aswell. If some of us think about the same way, we should think about reservations at the same hotel maybe.
Besides that the idea of this party if quite cool and nice, I personally would like to see some 'elephants' at the same desk in a decent restaurant ;-) |
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Westbam
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@Harry: Yeah that sounds promising to me. As I said would be neat if you´d make it to go there aswell...
@Radar: I already told CBA that I do not intend to sleep in a room with 100 guys either. I didn´t do the army so why should I start with this now? I already checked for local hotels there so I guess we´ve the same opinion on that case.. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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If I remember correctly Maduplec was in a group called Noise (or The New Aces, I'm not 100% sure) before Nato I think .. he released a couple of demos in the Wraxirmer series, the last one (part 5) was released under the Nato label. I don't remember him using the BUDS name before his Nato time.
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Jayce/ex. G*P, [C], HIT, DOM...
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That chart looks strange, people seem to vote only for demo groups and there are too many fake votes for me to take it seriously.
But anyways... |
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midfit
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Jayce: Are you trying to produce a buffer overflow on Perff's database with these 1000+ groups behind your handle? :) |
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Jayce/ex. G*P, [C], HIT, DOM...
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midfit: Umm, well... :) Just wanted to clarify that I'm not the Dutch Jayce-guy. And hey - it's only four groups, man! ;) |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Quote: Actually, I suppose that some of us should stick together and have a decent meal instead of boozing the party place 24hours a day. We chose the people and make sure that only those who are wanted join the 'intern meeting' then. Also I personally never liked the idea to sleep at party-places and I always prefered a decent hotel - and will do this time aswell. If some of us think about the same way, we should think about reservations at the same hotel maybe.
Besides that the idea of this party if quite cool and nice, I personally would like to see some 'elephants' at the same desk in a decent restaurant ;-)
I do agree, hotel for me. Tell me when you have found a good hotel, so we can order together. i dont care if the hotel is 1 hour from the party place!
Harry
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Oxbow
Registered: Dec 2001
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You may consider: http://www.avenarius.nl/index_eng.html |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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I want a butler aswell! or we can just use Jayce...hehe
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
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Westbam
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Quote: I want a butler aswell! or we can just use Jayce...hehe
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
Hell Harry, how about you bring Eugene along and we treat him as our private butler ??? |
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
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Quote: I see, however I am almost sure I remember demos from back then by Maduplec done under BUDS before he even joined Nato...
But as I said, I am almot sure, not 100%...
Well, you are 100% right Mike!
BUDS was formed after NOISE splittet up. BUDS was formed by Maduplec (Coder) & Conix (Artist). I know this, as I actually was in group with both of these guys, as my time in Noise. (Actually I was one of the founders of Noise) |
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Tricket
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Quote: If I remember correctly Maduplec was in a group called Noise (or The New Aces, I'm not 100% sure) before Nato I think .. he released a couple of demos in the Wraxirmer series, the last one (part 5) was released under the Nato label. I don't remember him using the BUDS name before his Nato time.
Maduplec was in Sidewize. Noise was actually formed, when The New Aces & Sidewize joined forces. |
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CyberBrain
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Quote: Well, you are 100% right Mike!
BUDS was formed after NOISE splittet up. BUDS was formed by Maduplec (Coder) & Conix (Artist). I know this, as I actually was in group with both of these guys, as my time in Noise. (Actually I was one of the founders of Noise)
Conix? Not overall? (or is it the same person?) |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Yeah Gene would be a perfect Butler. Perhaps Gene and Ticket would do a great job. Thats 2 butlers!
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Quote: Yeah Gene would be a perfect Butler. Perhaps Gene and Ticket would do a great job. Thats 2 butlers!
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
Yeah right Ticket! TRICKET
GENE AND TRICKET get me a beer!
Harry
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Westbam
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Quote: Well, you are 100% right Mike!
BUDS was formed after NOISE splittet up. BUDS was formed by Maduplec (Coder) & Conix (Artist). I know this, as I actually was in group with both of these guys, as my time in Noise. (Actually I was one of the founders of Noise)
Yo Jesper, thanks for your reply to this topic. I was almost sure to remember that BUDS were formed before they joined NATO..
And yes Butler Tricket, please be so kind and handle two beers for me and my friend Harry.. hehehe! |
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
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Quote: Yeah Gene would be a perfect Butler. Perhaps Gene and Ticket would do a great job. Thats 2 butlers!
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
@CyberBrain:
Nope, Conix and Overall was 2 different persons. .. . I am NOT sure if Overall was a part of BUDS, you might be right! ;)
@ Hero:
In your dreams buddy!.. Grrr.. hehe
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TDJ
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Quote: @CyberBrain:
Nope, Conix and Overall was 2 different persons. .. . I am NOT sure if Overall was a part of BUDS, you might be right! ;)
@ Hero:
In your dreams buddy!.. Grrr.. hehe
I'm pretty sure Overall at least was also responsible for Wraxirmer 5 (the part with the zooming letters).
Damn, too much useless information swimming in my head. But don't ask me to what movie my girlfriend & me went on our first date :) |
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blackdroid
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What movie did you watch on the second date ? |
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Dishy
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Quote: Well, you are 100% right Mike!
BUDS was formed after NOISE splittet up. BUDS was formed by Maduplec (Coder) & Conix (Artist). I know this, as I actually was in group with both of these guys, as my time in Noise. (Actually I was one of the founders of Noise)
Well, sorry Jesper, but Mike isn´t 100% right! Westbam(Mike) writes: "I see, however I am almost sure I remember demos from back then by Maduplec done under BUDS before he even joined Nato...
But as I said, I am almot sure, not 100%..."
This is not right, because the very first demos under the Buds label were Waxirmer 5, Twister and Catcher which were ALL released for NATO! So, it´s impossible that Westbam could have seen any demos under the Buds label before NATO - impossible, sorry! But, still Jesper that doesn´t mean, that you´re wrong, when you say that Buds was formed after Noise! But one thing is 100% sure - they released their first demos for NATO! So The Dark Judge is 100% right at that point, when he says he don't remember Maduplec using the BUDS name before his Nato time.
As I also wrote earlier, Maduplec writes in both Dodger and Macther:
"If you vote for this demo vote only for Maduplec or Nato. Please don´t vote for the Buds, as it´s only a trademark I use................................"
So anyway, Buds is only is trademark..
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Westbam
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However, Jesper still didn´t serve the drinks... |
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midfit
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I don't like Budweiser :) |
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Hero
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Happy birthday to MENACE ( 08.02.04) 30 year. HIP HIP HURRAY.
Hero/ILLUSION
I know everything!
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
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..I am 100% sure, that BUDS was formed before NATO, as NATO was insterrested in their kewl productions, thats why they wanted BUDS to join NATO. The reason why Maduplec startet to use BUDS as his own label is simple.. Conix stopped all scene actitity real quick after joining NATO. Overall never really was active in all his c64 history. (..a lazy BUD I would call it!) - thereby he was alone in BUDS!
BUDS was 100% legal, and thats why he wanted to continue the "group". Maduplec didn`t like illegal activities, and the reason he agreed to join NATO, was only caused that he was good friends with most of the danish NATO members. |
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Hero
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Tricket : gee you are up early! 06:30
Hero/ILS |
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Radar
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Quote: Tricket : gee you are up early! 06:30
Hero/ILS
Well, in his eyes you are late then ;-)
Harry, did you talk to Eugene about X-2004 yet? |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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"When Dreams Come True" - this is a "miracle" I see a "light"!
We don´t need to do any "radar rat race" like was it the year 1982, to find a good butler!:-) Tricket is the born "commodore" for all butlers! This is 2004, and we don´t need any "crossfire" at this party! But ofcouse all are very wellcome, also "Goblin(s)", "Ghosts", "Hero(s)", "Maniac(s)", "Dragon(s)", "Psycho(s)","Dogfriend(s)", "Skinhead(s)", "Ninja(s)", "Nerds", "Jack alien(s)", "Communist(s)", "Freestyle(rs)", "Airwolf(s)".,"Blackdroid(s)", "Painkiller(s)". Bring even "Adolf" or your very own "uncle-x". Try to reach him at his "hotline"! This will be a nice "joyride"!
Now, that´s what I call a "motiv8ing" butler! This must be the "royal" road to "success", The "action" starts early! Therefore Tricket starts to serve "silent" in the early morning:-) We all know that Tricket have always loved the "animal(s)", so he probably starts to feed all those "Zoolook(s)" like Megasnail, Tiger, Warewolf, Goldfish, Seal, Fox, Wolf, Drake, Panther etc.
A butler job for "legend(ary)" c64 sceners like "the ruling company" Westbam, Radar, Midfit and the "dogfriend" Hero, maybe only sound as a "dream", "vision" or even an "illusion" or "Utopia". But this is indeed a fulltime job and requires "dom(inating)" and "talent(ed)" skills, so the old c64 people can "enjoy" their trip at 1."class" - almost "magic"! So I guess Tricket - as the careful man he is - is just about to get in "shape" for his butler job of life. He knows about quality - "Quality Is A Lifestyle"!
Tricket is a "dishy" man with a good "faith", with at least one good "gene" - the buther "gene"! A butler shouldn´t be some kind of "NATO"-"intruder" or a "rough" "karatekid", who think he´s a "ninja" or a "hysteric(al)" "slater or a "radar(risk)" "doc" or something . No way! I think Tricket will make a top-service with "upfront", "honour" and "respect", like was it a job for the "majesty", the "duke", a "rockstar","Hercules", "Zeus" or even "Satan" himself! This party we all will "remember", with an "icon" of quality with lots of "fair(y)light(s)".
After this very party, I hope Tricket will start running some kind of "dom(inated)" "hotline" again like was he sysop of "dominic", so we can get "a touch of class" with Tricket later in our lifes. It must be "The Will Of God" that Tricket got this butler job!
Don´t take it as a "terminal obsession" or "fabulous disaster", Jesper:-)! Nobody can "excel(l)" you as a butler and you´ll will do it like a "mirage"! This is a job, that only "The Kings........" can handle, whether you like it or not. Tricket is not a "colour rape(d)" "zero" with a "crazy life"! Nope! You´ll get a person with a good "image", like were you "Mason" (Perry), or "Alagami" himself! I see a nice "ray" of "hope" for you, Jesper! This is not just an "imagination", this is your "future!" and the "(visual) reality"! Jesper, I know you probably feel like a "mister" "twist" in "trance" right now, but don´t worry, see it as a chance to make a "twist(y)" "genesis project"!
You could probably even do this without "no name", but I think "The Name Tells It All", so you better keep your name! With a "crest" of "the dominators", you´ll do it just great - just "trust your eyes", like were you some kind of a new "genesis" butler -"project". This is no "propaganda" at all. I know this sounds "crazy" or even "abnormal", and you probably get a "shock", when you read this, but I don´t have any "censor" to tell me, how to write this correctly! Try to read it again, with more "focus" and without being "the dark judge". It´s written in fun, so don´t act like a "rebel" neither a "bonecrushing" (bill) in "amok" with different "faces". This is noting to do with "sex'n'crime" and it´s not "bad news" for you, so do not get a "bad taste" in your mouth! Don´t be a vociferous person, but act like were you the very founder some good "noise", you became too "dom"(inated)... You´ll be a good butler! Be the "dealer" of cold beers and some whisky - "Jack Daniels" ofcouse!! But don´t do any "corruption" - not even for "ca$h" - in your butler life! You already had enough of "corruption" in your rich past:-) In this way, you´ll get lots of "status" and not being "useless" at all! Cheers - those were the days! PS. "Remember" no Budweiser for the "legend(ary)" Midfit - better give him some extra "Jack Daniels" - "remember - "No Risk No Fun!"
"Don´t Die Wondering"
Don´t cry if you were not mentioned.. This "c64-scene-fantasy" will be continued in maybe 10-15 years, and I´ll mention you....
Off to take care of this damn "c64scene-psychosis"!
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy
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Faith
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Quote: "When Dreams Come True" - this is a "miracle" I see a "light"!
We don´t need to do any "radar rat race" like was it the year 1982, to find a good butler!:-) Tricket is the born "commodore" for all butlers! This is 2004, and we don´t need any "crossfire" at this party! But ofcouse all are very wellcome, also "Goblin(s)", "Ghosts", "Hero(s)", "Maniac(s)", "Dragon(s)", "Psycho(s)","Dogfriend(s)", "Skinhead(s)", "Ninja(s)", "Nerds", "Jack alien(s)", "Communist(s)", "Freestyle(rs)", "Airwolf(s)".,"Blackdroid(s)", "Painkiller(s)". Bring even "Adolf" or your very own "uncle-x". Try to reach him at his "hotline"! This will be a nice "joyride"!
Now, that´s what I call a "motiv8ing" butler! This must be the "royal" road to "success", The "action" starts early! Therefore Tricket starts to serve "silent" in the early morning:-) We all know that Tricket have always loved the "animal(s)", so he probably starts to feed all those "Zoolook(s)" like Megasnail, Tiger, Warewolf, Goldfish, Seal, Fox, Wolf, Drake, Panther etc.
A butler job for "legend(ary)" c64 sceners like "the ruling company" Westbam, Radar, Midfit and the "dogfriend" Hero, maybe only sound as a "dream", "vision" or even an "illusion" or "Utopia". But this is indeed a fulltime job and requires "dom(inating)" and "talent(ed)" skills, so the old c64 people can "enjoy" their trip at 1."class" - almost "magic"! So I guess Tricket - as the careful man he is - is just about to get in "shape" for his butler job of life. He knows about quality - "Quality Is A Lifestyle"!
Tricket is a "dishy" man with a good "faith", with at least one good "gene" - the buther "gene"! A butler shouldn´t be some kind of "NATO"-"intruder" or a "rough" "karatekid", who think he´s a "ninja" or a "hysteric(al)" "slater or a "radar(risk)" "doc" or something . No way! I think Tricket will make a top-service with "upfront", "honour" and "respect", like was it a job for the "majesty", the "duke", a "rockstar","Hercules", "Zeus" or even "Satan" himself! This party we all will "remember", with an "icon" of quality with lots of "fair(y)light(s)".
After this very party, I hope Tricket will start running some kind of "dom(inated)" "hotline" again like was he sysop of "dominic", so we can get "a touch of class" with Tricket later in our lifes. It must be "The Will Of God" that Tricket got this butler job!
Don´t take it as a "terminal obsession" or "fabulous disaster", Jesper:-)! Nobody can "excel(l)" you as a butler and you´ll will do it like a "mirage"! This is a job, that only "The Kings........" can handle, whether you like it or not. Tricket is not a "colour rape(d)" "zero" with a "crazy life"! Nope! You´ll get a person with a good "image", like were you "Mason" (Perry), or "Alagami" himself! I see a nice "ray" of "hope" for you, Jesper! This is not just an "imagination", this is your "future!" and the "(visual) reality"! Jesper, I know you probably feel like a "mister" "twist" in "trance" right now, but don´t worry, see it as a chance to make a "twist(y)" "genesis project"!
You could probably even do this without "no name", but I think "The Name Tells It All", so you better keep your name! With a "crest" of "the dominators", you´ll do it just great - just "trust your eyes", like were you some kind of a new "genesis" butler -"project". This is no "propaganda" at all. I know this sounds "crazy" or even "abnormal", and you probably get a "shock", when you read this, but I don´t have any "censor" to tell me, how to write this correctly! Try to read it again, with more "focus" and without being "the dark judge". It´s written in fun, so don´t act like a "rebel" neither a "bonecrushing" (bill) in "amok" with different "faces". This is noting to do with "sex'n'crime" and it´s not "bad news" for you, so do not get a "bad taste" in your mouth! Don´t be a vociferous person, but act like were you the very founder some good "noise", you became too "dom"(inated)... You´ll be a good butler! Be the "dealer" of cold beers and some whisky - "Jack Daniels" ofcouse!! But don´t do any "corruption" - not even for "ca$h" - in your butler life! You already had enough of "corruption" in your rich past:-) In this way, you´ll get lots of "status" and not being "useless" at all! Cheers - those were the days! PS. "Remember" no Budweiser for the "legend(ary)" Midfit - better give him some extra "Jack Daniels" - "remember - "No Risk No Fun!"
"Don´t Die Wondering"
Don´t cry if you were not mentioned.. This "c64-scene-fantasy" will be continued in maybe 10-15 years, and I´ll mention you....
Off to take care of this damn "c64scene-psychosis"!
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy
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xIII
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WOW what a story that was ! |
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Dishy
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....must admit that it went a little out of control, and I used too much time for it.. Just annoying that I could forget my "hero" Garfield, under the process of butler Tricket feeding the "animal(s)". Think I´ll make a new story now - NOT! :-) Just hope I can sell this "beta-version" to the soon coming Legend64-site. That would make me a man of honour, hehe
My girlfriend think I´ve become "dizzy" or even "insane", so I better take another big break of about 10 years to the good old C64..:-) hehe
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Westbam
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@Dishy: This was by far the funniest post I ever read on any scene related forum. Congratulations man! |
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Hero
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Quote: Well, in his eyes you are late then ;-)
Harry, did you talk to Eugene about X-2004 yet?
yup yup, He will come. Good change for Fist aswell. WIll talk to Sauron today or Monday.
So looks like : Gene, Fist, Sauron and Hero from ILLUSION will be there!
Harry
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Hero
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DISHY : Your the man. That was fun. your a poet and didnt know it!
Harry
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Radar
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Quote: yup yup, He will come. Good change for Fist aswell. WIll talk to Sauron today or Monday.
So looks like : Gene, Fist, Sauron and Hero from ILLUSION will be there!
Harry
So this seems to come up nice. I'm already talking to somebody concerning a hotel for that weekend. The conditions I got are quite great and cheap for a all-inklusive part in a quite neat and stared hotel. |
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midfit
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Quote: @Dishy: This was by far the funniest post I ever read on any scene related forum. Congratulations man!
100% true. I really enjoyed reading Dishy's great post.
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Westbam
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Quote: So this seems to come up nice. I'm already talking to somebody concerning a hotel for that weekend. The conditions I got are quite great and cheap for a all-inklusive part in a quite neat and stared hotel.
Cool. That sounds promising. Lemme know as soon as you know something then pal... |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Yeah...and Spa!!
Maria, belive me i like it load......
Harry
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
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Dishy my man.. This is the best story I`ve had for many years. Thx man!.. ITS GREAT! LOL! |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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Some local hotels sound good. I am unsure if I will sleep both nights at the party place or just one.
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Radar
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Quote: Some local hotels sound good. I am unsure if I will sleep both nights at the party place or just one.
Well, I'm quite sure that I won't sleep a single night at the boot-camp ;-) |
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Spectator
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People,
You are of course free to do whatever you like, but let me tell you that the fascilities are actually quite ok. We have private rooms for groups (of atleast 4) as well as the bigger rooms. If you want a private room, just tell us in advance.
It's not comporable to a hotel, but i think the sleeping fascilities have its charm (and the beds are good, which is the most important). Then again, if you want to sponsor the local Dutch economy, be my guest. :)
Good to see you all coming over! |
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Spectator
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People,
You are of course free to do whatever you like, but let me tell you that the fascilities are actually quite ok. We have private rooms for groups (of atleast 4) as well as the bigger rooms. If you want a private room, just tell us in advance.
It's not comporable to a hotel, but i think the sleeping fascilities have its charm (and the beds are good, which is the most important). Then again, if you want to sponsor the local Dutch economy, be my guest. :)
Good to see you all coming over! |
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TDJ
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For once I agree with Spectator, the facilities are quite okay. Sure, there's no room service and there are always certain people you don't want to wind up in a room with because of their snoring (hai Scout/Silicon Ltd.) but for a few days it should be enough. So try not be such snobs and come sleep with us!
Eh, that didn't come out right .. |
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blackdroid
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But as long as it goes in right... or ? |
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Radar
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@Spectator & The Dark Judge
I'm glad to see such an offer for several guys who could use this agreement, but I personally appreciate a decent hotel with full-service.
On the other hand, those like us who don't sleep at the party-place and prefer good hotels do spare several other beds to be free for more people to come. Ain't that great? |
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chatGPZ
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if you need a hotel at a party it only shows that you got old and cant deal with the full party experience anymore. bah. bring your laptop and have fun in the hotel. more space for real c64s and their actual users. |
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
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Well.. I would rather say, that us known as oldies to alot of sceeners, have been at too many party places doing our years at the scene, that we rather prefer to spare our backs! ;) |
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Radar
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Groepaz, of you want to sleep in your sleeping-bag, it's on you. If you can't accept people for having a privileged hotel while party-time, it's also your problem. So what's your problem? Maybe Secret Man wants to share a room with you while Skinhead being buttler... |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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I've spend many copy parties sleeping at the ground,
or just staying up and sleeping somewhere later on a chair.
After X-97 we had enough of this sleeping of the ground or in a tent !... , with X-98 we started a copy party with BEDS and showers because those days were over!
The facilities at the X farm are good , if you prefer a real
Hotel it's up to you !.. , as somebody already said!, no problem at all, it's just creating more space for other C64 freaks to come !
Niels |
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Graham
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beds is for pussys! true men stand in the rain without crying. :D |
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Spectator
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Quote: @Spectator & The Dark Judge
I'm glad to see such an offer for several guys who could use this agreement, but I personally appreciate a decent hotel with full-service.
On the other hand, those like us who don't sleep at the party-place and prefer good hotels do spare several other beds to be free for more people to come. Ain't that great?
Correct, that's fantastic!
Btw, did you ever manage to contact Rainier? I've been trying for years to convince him to come over to one of our parties, but he's just too lazy, eventhough he lives so closeby!
Actually we've missed out on most of the F4CG dudes for a couple of years now. Too bad, the Swedes are amongst my favourites.
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Radar
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Quote: Correct, that's fantastic!
Btw, did you ever manage to contact Rainier? I've been trying for years to convince him to come over to one of our parties, but he's just too lazy, eventhough he lives so closeby!
Actually we've missed out on most of the F4CG dudes for a couple of years now. Too bad, the Swedes are amongst my favourites.
Try to get in touch with Scorpie...
I met Rainier at X-95 and at the Tribute in Sweden, so if somebody can convince him to come... Cool! |
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cba
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Solar was at X-95 that's true,
He is currently living in the States (that's what i've
heard) so I don't think he is coming !
Niels |
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Radar
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Quote: Solar was at X-95 that's true,
He is currently living in the States (that's what i've
heard) so I don't think he is coming !
Niels
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Spectator
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Mr. Greencard finally got married then, or?! ;-) |
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Dishy
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Quote: Dishy my man.. This is the best story I`ve had for many years. Thx man!.. ITS GREAT! LOL!
Finally you found your way in here again. I was afraid that the very principal character - the chief butler himself, wouldn´t even read this little tale, hehe.
Have fun Jesper.
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Dishy
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Quote: @Dishy: This was by far the funniest post I ever read on any scene related forum. Congratulations man!
@Westbam: Thanks;-) Damn, wish I´d written this on Second To None or The Shaolin Temple back then. Maybe I´d been a potential Legend member then;-)
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: DISHY : Your the man. That was fun. your a poet and didnt know it!
Harry
Hi Harry
Yep, this is the art of real c64scene poetry. I´ll start fabricating some more poetry, so we can get lots of scene literary work in here, hehehe.
Just an illusion.
Damn, I never had this function in any groups.
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: 100% true. I really enjoyed reading Dishy's great post.
@Midfit: Damn, I just love all those commendatory words. Probably as much as Hero still loves all the votes for Illusion;-)
Guess I´ll need to quoute ém all, just to read them again and again, hehe.. Just kidding!
BTW Midfit, have you been in Chromance back then? If so - in what year? And, are you in contact with Mr.Wax? I left Chromance in 1993, I think.
/Dishy
Dishy - keep the c64 alive - Dishy |
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Tricket
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 98 |
Nope Dishy, I am not that easy to get rid of.
Finally I see The Dominators at the #4 spot of Top Groups.
- I am pleased to see that people still remember our quality releases. Thanx guys! - keep in mind; The Name Tells It All.
Last minute update: Animal is diving around Mexico these days. I should send the "warmest" greetings to all of you. He promised to come by this forum, when he returns to Denmark sometime.
Dogfriend is moving for Spain. I am still waiting for his return to the "world wide web"
L8r,
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