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2010-04-05 10:44
ElCharro
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Not answering 1570 Floppy Disk Drive

Hello,

I am back since decades on real c64/128 Hardware.
Now I am chekcing out a very clean 128 computer with 1570 drives that do not want even load the "$" directory.
I tried to give the command Initialize typing:

Open 1,8,15,"Initialize" or something like that fully explained in the 1541 Manual bot the Floppy Drives seem to be mooving and flashing lights but at the end of the operation I still cannot load the directory or read files form the disk.

Any Hint?

Thanks a Lot!
 
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2010-04-06 15:53
ElCharro
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I would spell out what is happening.

If I type

10 Open 15,8,15
20 Print# 15"Initialize"
30 Close 15

and give RUN the Floppy Disk Drive start spinning for few seconds then the red led start flashing and nothing happens.

If I do the format

Open 15,8,15,"N0:disk,00"

I do have file open error!

If I put another disk ( i.e. with games ) and type:

Load "$",8

I have

Searching for $ .
? File not found error
ready

Any hint please?

Thanks a Lot!
2010-04-07 06:35
Devia

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401
If it was a 1541 drive, i'd have a closer look at the logic chips... but 1570? I have no idea how this drive is constructed.
Does anyone have a schematic for 1570 ? - I can't seem to find any :(
2010-04-07 08:11
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
> 10 Open 15,8,15
> 20 Print# 15"Initialize"
> 30 Close 15

Try changing line 20 in:
20 Print#15,"initialize"
(A comma after 15 and no space after #)

> If I do the format
> Open 15,8,15,"N0:disk,00"
>
> I do have file open error!

That is because you already runned that basic program and the channel is already open.
First do CLOSE 15 and then try OPEN 15,8,15,"N0:disk,00" again.

If a disk is not formatted, loading the directory (LOAD"$",8) won't work.

So far, there's no proof that the drive is broken ;-)
2010-04-07 12:44
MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074
Read the drive's error channel so we can see what the actual error message is (not the message printed by basic):
LOAD"$",8
SEARCHING FOR $
?FILE NOT FOUND  ERROR
READY.
10 OPEN1,8,15:INPUT#1,A,B$,C,D:CLOSE1:PRINTA;B$;C;D
RUN
 21 READ ERROR 18  1   <- What's the error here with a known good disk?


Give us the errors from formatting (N0:) and initializing (I0:) as well.
2010-04-07 16:38
ElCharro
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After the initialize I have

with 10 Open 1,8,15
20 Print#15,"initialize"
30 close 15

I do have

20 Read Error 18 0

So? :(
2010-04-07 16:56
tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787
So, either of these:
- the disk is not formatted
- the disk is unreadable
- the drive is broken in some way

Now see what error you get if you try to format a disk.
And like stated above, make sure it's a 48 TPI double density disk.
2010-04-08 19:25
ElCharro
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Posts: 19
I am going to check if 1541 Allignment tool is good to give life to my 1541?

Who gave it a try?

I don't know how it work
2010-04-08 19:27
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
I gave it a try, but from al 15 or so drives I tested, none was out of alignment so badly that it didn't work.

Besides, you're not done testing: what is the error when you try to format?
Untill now you only tried initialising, which is not the same as formatting.
2010-04-13 15:50
Jope

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 25
The 1570 is electrically 99% similar to the 1571, only the second side is missing..

Try it with the mechanism from a working 1541 to rule out alignment problems?
2010-04-13 19:29
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
Jope, we're not even sure if it's the drive that is broken or the floppies he's using.
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