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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Looking for Pictures of the Fat Count Zero !
I have some time and i decided to make a book with ugly people.So take a look in your collections and send fat Pictures of Count Kilo to me.
Thanx in advance
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Steppe
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Can someone delete this spammer?
I'm in no way affiliated with C0, but you just seem to be stuck in your puberty. Grow up man. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Seems so that Steppi is fucking Count Kilo ......Have fun with this ugly bottle of shit |
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Steppe
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Can I hear a faint undertone of jealousy? Oh, you've been badly disappointed by him? Ooohh, I suggest we all give you a little dose of compassion. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Go to hell loser.It is not my problem that your mother is fucking animals ànd youre the son of an ugly dog.
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Radar
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Quote: Go to hell loser.It is not my problem that your mother is fucking animals ànd youre the son of an ugly dog.
Secret Man - Your GOD
I hardly doubt that you even understood what Steppe wrote. Make sure you have your dictionary with you the next time you pop up here - that might help you to figure out what the elite is talking about. I personally don't know Steppe, but due to the fact that nobody could have less skills than you own, he must fucking rule your incestical family. Does your mother clean up his toilets while your father polishes his car? Or why do we see that much jealousy for him in your messed-up text? |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Steppe was one of the best cracker dudes in earlier years.He was the leader of Afros and Ultimate.Puuuuuh
Steppe Lamer.Never heard this piece of shit name.
Secret Man - Germays #1
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Radar
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Quote: Steppe was one of the best cracker dudes in earlier years.He was the leader of Afros and Ultimate.Puuuuuh
Steppe Lamer.Never heard this piece of shit name.
Secret Man - Germays #1
Atleast he has skills and you don't. That's the point. |
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midfit
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>Secret Man - Germays #1
Huhah! He can't even write his country proper. What a failed attempt of scener he is. |
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Radar
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Quote: >Secret Man - Germays #1
Huhah! He can't even write his country proper. What a failed attempt of scener he is.
He's not only a failed attempt of a scener, he's also a failed attempt of a garbage-can raping some street-whores...
There goes the neighbourhood !!! |
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midfit
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..and pop goes the weasel! But well, you are damn true with what you've said about this character. |
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Radar
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Quote: ..and pop goes the weasel! But well, you are damn true with what you've said about this character.
Well, I guess he wishes to finally finally 'pop' a weasel... |
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dalezy
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what a disgrace to all germaysians. |
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Slator
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at least he shows why he is well liked.
Lame in the past and still lame nowadays, wow that is some kind of art.
I don't get the point in jumping in here and just dropping big bunches of shit, please go back to the lake you came from smeagol....
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Fuck off Slaterlame.Youre a bunch of shit |
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Steppe
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You obviously still didn't get it: You lost the argument the moment you typed your first word in this forum. You seem to be the manifestation of the word lameness itself, the word elite coming out of your mouth is an oxymoron as big as the Eiffel Tower. In case you didn't get half of that again, a dictionary might help. Once again: Get lost! |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Oh Steppe,you never ruled and you will never rule.You are one of the typical lamers like this Midlamer.You both never did something for the scene.But as Radorks asslicker i will give you an number 1.
Secret Man - Saw the lamers |
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CreaMD
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It would be really sweet if this topic was locked sooner than smell of secrets of secret man reach the general public. |
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midfit
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Quote: Oh Steppe,you never ruled and you will never rule.You are one of the typical lamers like this Midlamer.You both never did something for the scene.But as Radorks asslicker i will give you an number 1.
Secret Man - Saw the lamers
Oh Sekret. It must be really frustrating that others achieved more in scene life than you'll do in a 1000 years from here. While it is sad that we can't prove that, as our time is so limited. I am sure even you plonker must have realized that you got to hail atleast three of the names of your audience here, whereever and whenever you look up into the sky. May it be that you are loading the Sidplay to play some *.SID's from your ridiculous Hysteric Game ON DUPES or when you remember the tyme you typed LOAD "CCGMS+BLUEBOX/RIPPED BY HYSTERIC",8,1 into your trusted Commodore, the machine you seem to have as much knowledge about as about the right behaviour on scene forums. I can only hope for you that you share the rest of your days with something more senseful. I know that there are still jobs @ Mc Donalds free. They are right now searching for people folding the cheese packages for their Big Mac's.
Sekret Man - The dude who supplied us with the most amusing oneliners of 2004. |
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Radar
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Quote: Oh Steppe,you never ruled and you will never rule.You are one of the typical lamers like this Midlamer.You both never did something for the scene.But as Radorks asslicker i will give you an number 1.
Secret Man - Saw the lamers
Why don't you show us some 'proofs' for the 'skills' you claim to have? Instead of raping the english language, you better go and fucking tell you father that I'm NOT going to give him a job in my company. And no, I'm also NOT going to let you wash my car again, the last time you didn't do the job correct. I told you to LICK it clean TWICE, you did it ONCE and hang around with PsychISilly's drugs again, thinking of making plans for the next narc on sceners. You are a traitor, face the fact. Btw, is your sister still joining your tremendous incestical orgies with Skinhead's ass wide open and the smoke-bottle of pot right in it?
Go and post your next intelligent oneliner and get smashed again by the real elites on here. Good night! |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Yesterday i spoke with my old friend Skinhead and he could only laugh about this ugly little pussy Radork.
And Midlame: Seems so,that you dont know it: We in Coop Hysteric-Insiders wrote the blue box but you are to lame to know that.
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midfit
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Quote: Yesterday i spoke with my old friend Skinhead and he could only laugh about this ugly little pussy Radork.
And Midlame: Seems so,that you dont know it: We in Coop Hysteric-Insiders wrote the blue box but you are to lame to know that.
Secret Man - Your GOD
No. I know that you pretend (!) to have coded that infamous bluebox but infact ripped all certain routines from another dude. But I guess he will lecture you about that - so I won't fill any further bytes about that. ! |
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Radar
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Quote: Yesterday i spoke with my old friend Skinhead and he could only laugh about this ugly little pussy Radork.
And Midlame: Seems so,that you dont know it: We in Coop Hysteric-Insiders wrote the blue box but you are to lame to know that.
Secret Man - Your GOD
Oh yeah, gimme more of those lies. I hardly doubt that you spoke to Skinhead. You saw another man and raped him, that's the only way your beat goes.
And Insiders? Those group has never been famous, built by stupid Hyteric.members in order to try a new start in the scene. And yeah, I remember that Hellfire sent you a big 'go and fuck me ass' like in 92. You better make sure you know what you are talking about the next time.
And YOU had an own coded bluebox? HAHAHAHAHA.... Wish! |
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midfit
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And he even build the statue of liberty.
Didn't know that you can get the best examples for drug abuse in this forum. I guess he is on magic mushrooms!
I would like to ask this lowlife for his work when the german police got him into fingers. Radar, do you mean that we get an answer to this? Or just another dirty oneliner from a sick mind? It is still an open issue. |
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Radar
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Quote: And he even build the statue of liberty.
Didn't know that you can get the best examples for drug abuse in this forum. I guess he is on magic mushrooms!
I would like to ask this lowlife for his work when the german police got him into fingers. Radar, do you mean that we get an answer to this? Or just another dirty oneliner from a sick mind? It is still an open issue.
Midfit, you know his elite answer to this already:
"Midlame you liket Radorks asz the time all long ant I rulet you and the sziene now and very efer"
Let's resume the postings a little bit.
1. He claimed that he kicked ass with his lamer-group Hysteric in the past and he said that he kicked Legend and Arcade. We proved him WRONG!
2. He claimed that Hysteric coded the best bluebox ever and that nobody else was able to call out. We proved him WRONG! (note: my Universal Bluebox 5.0 which I published under Arcade in like 91 is online here and ready to download by everyone).
3. He claimed that we all couldn't call the US-boards but he could. We proved him WRONG!
4. He claimed to be the big XBox-king, we proved him WRONG!
5. He claimed to be the fastest and best original-supplier and cracker in the past, we proved him WRONG!
6. He claimed to have a real life and that he grew up meanwhile. Well, of coz we proved him WRONG!
That's about the facts and that's the reality. |
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CreaMD
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I wonder what would Hollowman and Puterman say on this discussion. |
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midfit
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@Radar: I guess your summary picks up the value of this dude very well.
One thing I like to add on the Hysteric topic. A little story I always tell those who are interested.
In 1994 my good pal Conan/Elite shared me a visit (Both of us were involved with the Super Famicom at that time) and brought along a disk with a Hysteric cover. He got that disk via snail mail after he published a game he wrote more out of the interest to make some bucks with old code garbage.
Alongside with the disk he received a letter:
"Hey faggot. Lame copy protection you used. We cracked the game within minutes"
The irony on this little story is following: He couldn't remember that he programmed a protection for the game.
The game was published through a coverdisk of the german 64'er magazine. Those who remember it: They never included any protections on their coverdisks.
So much for Point 1 in your summary. |
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TDJ
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Let's make one thing clear: it is *I* who is the Xbox king. Why, I'm even able to create multi-game dvd's! I rock! |
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midfit
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Quote: Let's make one thing clear: it is *I* who is the Xbox king. Why, I'm even able to create multi-game dvd's! I rock!
There is no doubt about it :) |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: @Radar: I guess your summary picks up the value of this dude very well.
One thing I like to add on the Hysteric topic. A little story I always tell those who are interested.
In 1994 my good pal Conan/Elite shared me a visit (Both of us were involved with the Super Famicom at that time) and brought along a disk with a Hysteric cover. He got that disk via snail mail after he published a game he wrote more out of the interest to make some bucks with old code garbage.
Alongside with the disk he received a letter:
"Hey faggot. Lame copy protection you used. We cracked the game within minutes"
The irony on this little story is following: He couldn't remember that he programmed a protection for the game.
The game was published through a coverdisk of the german 64'er magazine. Those who remember it: They never included any protections on their coverdisks.
So much for Point 1 in your summary.
Sorry Midlame ,1994 you were 9 years old and you were player on grandmothers tittys motherfucker |
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midfit
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Sorry Sekret - 1994 you were still hanging around at your local train station to fetch some Magic Disk issue in hope that the games on it were unreleased. |
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Radar
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Quote: Sorry Sekret - 1994 you were still hanging around at your local train station to fetch some Magic Disk issue in hope that the games on it were unreleased.
@Midfit: Thats also remembers of a story like in 93 or 94 when I was on a conference with Masterkracker, The Shark, Thor and The Cure. Out of the blue, Masterkracker blew into that conference line: "Guys, it's midnight in germany and the magic-disk is getting released at the local train-shop in Hannover. Guess my phone will ring within a few minutes again and Psychosilly asks for NTSC-fixing his crap."
Well, a few minutes later, MK's phone rang and he twisted it to our conference-line. And of coz it was PsychISilly telling him about the latest full-price he just catched and wants to get it NTSC-fixed.
Well, they did the 'packing and training' and we all were laughing our ass off when we published it under 'Burp'. Hahaha... |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: @Midfit: Thats also remembers of a story like in 93 or 94 when I was on a conference with Masterkracker, The Shark, Thor and The Cure. Out of the blue, Masterkracker blew into that conference line: "Guys, it's midnight in germany and the magic-disk is getting released at the local train-shop in Hannover. Guess my phone will ring within a few minutes again and Psychosilly asks for NTSC-fixing his crap."
Well, a few minutes later, MK's phone rang and he twisted it to our conference-line. And of coz it was PsychISilly telling him about the latest full-price he just catched and wants to get it NTSC-fixed.
Well, they did the 'packing and training' and we all were laughing our ass off when we published it under 'Burp'. Hahaha...
haha ! I never thought that you are so lame. Look in the release charts and you will see thousand of full prize releases which were released by Red Sector.And what was with arcade?They had never a chance to stop this ruling.But what can we await from a lamer group with members like radork ? Nothing . Go back to ya fat mum and licked her pussy,motherfucker ! Mastercracker was a gay and i think youre a gay,too. You fucked several times Tyrees ass.And which ass is the next? Midlames ? Idiot
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Steppe
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That last post clearly shows that we own you! Don't you agree, Sekret Manni? Come on, admit it, we simply own you! We got you to a point where you can't step back, and we could go on with this stupidity for ever and ever. Funny ey? |
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midfit
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Release list of 1992:
RED SECTOR INCORPORATED: (RSI)
Baller Up - Preview
Battle Prv - Preview
Cube Magik Prv - Preview
Echo Hawk - Homebrew / Mag crap
Enforcer (aka Katakis 2) - Homebrew / Mag crap
Hyper Aggressive - Homebrew / Mag crap
Magic Rufus Prv - Preview
Nick Faldo Golf Prv - Preview
Scenario - Theatre of War - Fullprice Starbyte
Sceptre of Baghdad Prv - Preview
Slide - Homebrew / Mag crap
Steinberger Hotel Manager - Fullprice Starbyte
Stuntman Seymour - Lowbudget
Synopsis - Homebrew / Mag crap
Triget - Homebrew / Mag crap
Wozzle - Homebrew / Mag crap
2 full pricers
Oops! Not one full price game by Sekret Man. Both infact supplied by Irata.
Lets take a look at the Legend first releases:
..snippet..
Hook
Indiana Jones IV: The Fate of Atlantis
Lethal Weapon
..snippet..
Oops! Seems that the socalled Sekret Man First Release was no First Release at all. Infact it was a First for Legend.
1993 Release List RSI:
Aliens III - Fullprice
Argon Factor - Lowbudget
Art of China - Homebrew / Mag crap
Bounce It - Homebrew / Mag crap
Bombsquad - Homebrew / Mag crap
Breakthrough Prv - Preview
Carnage Prv - Preview
Cheeky Twins - Homebrew / Mag crap
Circuit - Homebrew / Mag crap
Detonators - Homebrew / Mag crap
Duel Strike Prv - Preview
Duel Strike - Homebrew / Mag crap
Eon - Fullprice
Fred's Back - Homebrew / Mag crap
Genloc Prv - Preview
Get It - Homebrew / Mag crap
Hermetic 100% - Homebrew / Mag crap
Holiday Games - Homebrew / Mag crap
Josh - Homebrew / Mag crap
Karamalz Cup - Homebrew / Mag crap
Knax - Homebrew / Mag crap
Lemmings Prv - Preview
Magic Rufus - Homebrew / Mag crap
Magic Stones - Homebrew / Mag crap
Marble Springs - Homebrew / Mag crap
Matrix Prv - Preview
Mayhem in Monsterland Prv - Preview
Minefields - Homebrew / Mag crap
Move Out Prv - Preview
Nick Faldo's Championship Golf - Lowbudget
Ormus Saga II - Not really Fullprice
Plis - Homebrew / Mag crap
Psychic Chaos - Homebrew / Mag crap
Puzzle Master - Homebrew / Mag crap
Robin Hood's Legend Quest - Lowbudget
Sceptre of Baghdad - Homebrew / Mag crap
Shadow of the Evil - Homebrew / Mag crap
Smash Ball - Homebrew / Mag crap
Snare - Homebrew / Mag crap
Software Manager Prv - Preview
Suburban Commando Prv - Preview
Sword of Honour Prv - Preview
The Examination - Fullprice
Think Fast - Homebrew / Mag crap
Tracer - Homebrew / Mag crap
Wild West Seymour - Lowbudget
Working Stone - Homebrew / Mag crap
I can only identify one REAL fullpricer and again it is supplied by Irata. Not ONE SINGLE FULLPRICE game supplied by anybody known as Secret Man.
SOURCE: Jazzcat's list. Grabbed from various sources as THE SHOCK, THE PULSE etc.
Anything to add?!? No!
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Radar
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Just to name a few games first-released by Arcade in 1992:
12 O'Clock
Arnie (w/Deadline)
Bod the Alien (w/Deadline)
Catch
Cruel Zone (w/Deadline)
Demon Blues
Empius
Gauntlet III
Geo-Matrix (w/Deadline)
Haeger
International Ice Hockey (w/Deadline)
International Sports Challenge
Jonathan
Lemmings Prv
Little Hero Prv
Locomotion
No Deeper Meaning (w/Deadline)
Obicontrol
Pharao's Revenge
Quadrant
Robocod Prv (w/Deadline)
Rock, Paper & Shear
Striker in the crypts of Trojan (w/Deadline)
Tank Division (w/Deadline)
Tetrados
The Bod Squad
TDS Prv
There goes the neighbourhood... and NO fucking magazine-crap is listed.
And we all had so much fun of making jokes about your Hysteric-team.
Oh yeah, do you remember when Tyree wanted to kick your ass and you were trying to bring Majesty with you? And as you never showed up and were too afraid of facing the real, Tyree just kicked Mayesty's ass and left him lying around in the corner at the ARC+DOM-Party... THAT is the way Tyree was acting - THAT is the way you always behaved and you still do.
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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hahaha i have never seen such lame guys.Indy 4 Fullprize by Red Sector.Sorry Midlame.And if you dont know it,i had Lemmings as first,but you both lamers couldnt know that.Seems so that both of you were not able to call out.
Bah.
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fade
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the fact that you lot are still fighting over this more than a decade after it went down is extremely fucking sad. Also I should mention that if you care so much about the quality released back then, perhaps you should do something to continue this quality now.
You lot fight like a bunch of pre-pubescent girls and could probably use a few beeftruckers to suck your radiated penii |
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Radar
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Quote: hahaha i have never seen such lame guys.Indy 4 Fullprize by Red Sector.Sorry Midlame.And if you dont know it,i had Lemmings as first,but you both lamers couldnt know that.Seems so that both of you were not able to call out.
Bah.
Secret Man - Your God
Well, the Lemmings Preview has been released by Arcade first, in 1991 already. So even you you would have had it first, you must have been too stupid to release it then. Btw, our firstie can be downloaded here and is counted in the charts as being first. FACT !!!
Maybe you once again passed the actual trunks back at that time and when you finally put them into my bluebox (can be downloaded here aswell) and tried calling out, they were old again. Hm, i can't even remember a decent board you had access to, but anyhow... Keep on buying PsychISilly's drugs and you hopefully leafe this sphere for good, It sometimes is better kiiling poor creeps then leaving them alive. |
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midfit
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He means that he got Lemmings FULL VERSION as First. But also here I've to disappoint him. AFL didn't made it. They brought it at the same time with several others. And therefore it is a hard task to decide who got it first, I would say: Nobody! It was a tie.
Furthermore just for the records: Skinhead/AFL made a special jewel version (which he re-cracked from Dytec) several weeks after the socalled first. His First Release Version was a real mess.
Also just for the records: I know that Irata/TRSI had got the original faster as the suppliers of Alpha Flight, because Crisp could do his two drive version just in peace.
So I would say it again: Secret Man is nobody of the big suppliers. God knows that some of the big suppliers are even active today. You are not even a player in this game, Sekret! |
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CreaMD
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Fade, I hink that Radar appreciates the chance to boast about his rich past (not to mention his present ;-) and Secret Man is very good partner for that. According to conspiration theories, they might even be the same person. |
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Steppe
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Well, the PM Radar sent me in the very beginning of this little flamewar makes the fact that they are the same person a little unlikely, at least to me. ;-) |
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midfit
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Nope. You have missed the point. The point is not to fight for something laying back. The point is fighting a certain lamer who is known to have narced about several persons to the police. If that sounds like "pre-pubescent girls" to some of you, roll back some lines and look who started this fuck in this forum. Right.. Some load of lameness who calls hisself Secret Man. Criticize him, not Radar ..
And no they are not the same person! |
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CreaMD
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But how can you be sure that you are fighting the right person... |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Midlame can only posts sides from the shock.As the scene ruled he was not older as 10 years and now he licking radorks ass.The ass from the lamer number 1.
I can only laugh about this stupid post from you.
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midfit
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@CreaMD: Well... only death is for sure. You are right I can't be sure. But his dumbness is right fitting into the Hysteric / RSI drawer.
@Secret Man: I only posted you references to the shock which prove that you failed big time as a supplier. That all your claims are false and wrong. That you take credits for others First Releases. You are a liar & a traitor (working for the police). You are in the defending position! |
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Radar
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Quote: Fade, I hink that Radar appreciates the chance to boast about his rich past (not to mention his present ;-) and Secret Man is very good partner for that. According to conspiration theories, they might even be the same person.
Wxcuse me, but what the fuck is YOUR problem? And who said something about me being rich... I didn't. Somehow I believe, that you got something to do with this crap on here by now. Check some more stats befoer you little fool start whining about your life. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: Wxcuse me, but what the fuck is YOUR problem? And who said something about me being rich... I didn't. Somehow I believe, that you got something to do with this crap on here by now. Check some more stats befoer you little fool start whining about your life.
Radar I said 'rich past'. And no I don't have anything to do with your problem here right now. I just came up with some conclusions based on observation nothing more nothing less. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Its not easy to speak to Radork and his drugs problems ! But i think a new love is born. Hartmut has a new underage boyfriend called midlame which fucked his father like a beast.No he will lick radorks dick and he will give him what he need ! Good Blow dudes.... |
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Matt
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Quote: Its not easy to speak to Radork and his drugs problems ! But i think a new love is born. Hartmut has a new underage boyfriend called midlame which fucked his father like a beast.No he will lick radorks dick and he will give him what he need ! Good Blow dudes....
wow baby you really got a temper there!
wanna tell us about it?
wanna share it?
does it hurt? |
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Matt
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and what's wrong with us licking mommy's tits?
you should it try more often, it's great! :D
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Radar
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Quote: Radar I said 'rich past'. And no I don't have anything to do with your problem here right now. I just came up with some conclusions based on observation nothing more nothing less.
I suppose that my money ain't your problem at all. So sorry if you're not satisfied with your life, but that's not my problem. Money just buys everything, we all know that and I love that. But still, not of your business... |
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Steppe
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I think that "rich past" was in no way attributed to money, Radar. "Rich past" referred to your scene history with lots of groups and releases, me thinks. Right, CreaMD? |
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CreaMD
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Quote: I suppose that my money ain't your problem at all. So sorry if you're not satisfied with your life, but that's not my problem. Money just buys everything, we all know that and I love that. But still, not of your business...
For the second time you didn't understand to phrase "rich past". I was talking about your rich past concerning your adventures, deeds and experiences in the scene... capeesh? |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Radork is a poor junkie and he has problems with the words like money or rich.We should collect some money for him that he can buy his drugs.
My friend Skinhead will blow him from this board !
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Steppe
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Oh just shut the fuck up, Secret Man! |
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CreaMD
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Quote: Radork is a poor junkie and he has problems with the words like money or rich.We should collect some money for him that he can buy his drugs.
My friend Skinhead will blow him from this board !
Secret Man - The Elite strikes back......
Agrees with Steppe. |
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Radar
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Quote: For the second time you didn't understand to phrase "rich past". I was talking about your rich past concerning your adventures, deeds and experiences in the scene... capeesh?
So you choosed the wrong words then. When talking about 'rich', the defination normally goes to money. Concerning my old scene-activities, I can't call it being 'rich' actually, as it more was an adventure just like Steppe posted. Guess you meant the same we figured out now.
@Secret Woman: We know already that you and your butt-friend Shithead are dealing with drugs (and actually it's not funny, as that is a serious crime). We know that your are sick in your brain, but actually take one good advance to NOT offer any shit of this (buying drugs, tapes, games from you) to us in public, as you never realy know who is sitting at the other hand of the screen and how he can act.
Honestly, go and inform yourself about my person before you get into deeper problems. I already got your IP and within the next two days I'm getting the stats for it. Don't ask what will be next, as this drug-crime is getting out of controll at your side now. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: So you choosed the wrong words then. When talking about 'rich', the defination normally goes to money. Concerning my old scene-activities, I can't call it being 'rich' actually, as it more was an adventure just like Steppe posted. Guess you meant the same we figured out now.
@Secret Woman: We know already that you and your butt-friend Shithead are dealing with drugs (and actually it's not funny, as that is a serious crime). We know that your are sick in your brain, but actually take one good advance to NOT offer any shit of this (buying drugs, tapes, games from you) to us in public, as you never realy know who is sitting at the other hand of the screen and how he can act.
Honestly, go and inform yourself about my person before you get into deeper problems. I already got your IP and within the next two days I'm getting the stats for it. Don't ask what will be next, as this drug-crime is getting out of controll at your side now.
Although it's not vissible from my 'orrible grammar, I have classic education in literature, morphology, lexicology, syntax, phonetics and whatever else subject they teach on university. That's why I dare to use words out of their usual context which is so-called bookish way of speaking. However, in this case it's quite a regular and fair use of the mentioned adjective and thus it shouldn't confuse anyone.
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dalezy
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rich is also a word that's used to describe terms like 'a lot of' or 'much'. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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Reichhaltig, so wie in 'reichhaltige Vergangenheit'. Enough smartassing... ;-) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Hehe .. I think we should give Radar & Secret Man their own forum where they can slag on eachother .. maybe even in German :)
And Roman man, shame on you for not using 'rich' in the correct way :) |
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Radar
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Quote: Although it's not vissible from my 'orrible grammar, I have classic education in literature, morphology, lexicology, syntax, phonetics and whatever else subject they teach on university. That's why I dare to use words out of their usual context which is so-called bookish way of speaking. However, in this case it's quite a regular and fair use of the mentioned adjective and thus it shouldn't confuse anyone.
Then I'm sorry to let you know to re-read my post again and to not overread the word 'normally', as you studied this language... pft!
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CreaMD
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Quote: Then I'm sorry to let you know to re-read my post again and to not overread the word 'normally', as you studied this language... pft!
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Oh yeah, gimme more of those lies. I hardly doubt that you spoke to Skinhead. You saw another man and raped him, that's the only way your beat goes.
And Insiders? Those group has never been famous, built by stupid Hyteric.members in order to try a new start in the scene. And yeah, I remember that Hellfire sent you a big 'go and fuck me ass' like in 92. You better make sure you know what you are talking about the next time.
And YOU had an own coded bluebox? HAHAHAHAHA.... Wish!
Hartmut,i was the leader of The Insiders,but you couldnt know that.We started 1986 and i was one of the best mailtrader as i got busted 1988 with Dr.Mule and Master Five. Skid Row and Skinhead visited several partys in Hannover as they met Hellfire,Psychobilly and the rest.Then they build a coop between Hysteric and Insiders.You can find some releases with mirage here.I returned 1990 or 1991.
Any Questions?
And be sure that Skinhead will call this board.
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Radar
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Quote: Hartmut,i was the leader of The Insiders,but you couldnt know that.We started 1986 and i was one of the best mailtrader as i got busted 1988 with Dr.Mule and Master Five. Skid Row and Skinhead visited several partys in Hannover as they met Hellfire,Psychobilly and the rest.Then they build a coop between Hysteric and Insiders.You can find some releases with mirage here.I returned 1990 or 1991.
Any Questions?
And be sure that Skinhead will call this board.
I didn't say that you might not have built that group, as I actually don't know the former. All I said was, that Insiders used to be a lame group just like Hysteric. And that's a fact.
So were are talking about
The Insiders
correct?
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: I didn't say that you might not have built that group, as I actually don't know the former. All I said was, that Insiders used to be a lame group just like Hysteric. And that's a fact.
So were are talking about
The Insiders
correct?
But please remember that Arcade was a lame group,too.
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Celtic
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funny, with the word 'too' you just acknowledged that both Insiders and Hysteric were quite lame. Meaning that Radar did win the argument here. Since besides you I doubt there will be a lot of others that find Radar lame I guess you made you final statement... You lost... now please leave us here alone and be gone....
Celtic - just another lamer :) |
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CyberBrain
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Was Insiders founded in 1986? According to The Insiders it was in 1991. |
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midfit
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Dear Secret. Whatever you are member of. One thing is for sure - you are generating security problems for your group. So with all your boasting with being member of Complex XBOX you opened a wide hole for your group. Just type COMPLEX into google and you will see what I mean. So I guess it is finally proven what kind of idiot you are. Complex is in trigger by Microsoft for releasing their SDK's to the scene. Furthermore I am sure you are not the only one being active on another system. I kindly regard that there are still many sceners involved on other platforms. What do you think will happen if your group gets knowledge about this?
(Althrough I have my doubts that they == Complex take idiots like you!)
Btw. congratulations on finally accepting that Insiders + Hysteric were a bunch of lamers! |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Dear Secret. Whatever you are member of. One thing is for sure - you are generating security problems for your group. So with all your boasting with being member of Complex XBOX you opened a wide hole for your group. Just type COMPLEX into google and you will see what I mean. So I guess it is finally proven what kind of idiot you are. Complex is in trigger by Microsoft for releasing their SDK's to the scene. Furthermore I am sure you are not the only one being active on another system. I kindly regard that there are still many sceners involved on other platforms. What do you think will happen if your group gets knowledge about this?
(Althrough I have my doubts that they == Complex take idiots like you!)
Btw. congratulations on finally accepting that Insiders + Hysteric were a bunch of lamers!
Oh Midlame, Noone wants a lamer like you.You will never join a group !
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midfit
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It is your service to boast around with your groups. If it gives you the same satisfaction as informing the police about your former group mates (Known fact you couldn't disprove up to now) ... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Seems like just another troll have bitten more than he can chew... |
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Radar
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Quote: Oh Midlame, Noone wants a lamer like you.You will never join a group !
Lamer
For the point of loyality, Midfit could have joined my group at any times, as the skills he owns are good and proven. But as I'm NOT active into any scenes anymore, I can't get that anyhow.
BUT one question still is not answered. Is it the same 'Insiders'-bunch-of-shit like we showed you on here? |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: Just to name a few games first-released by Arcade in 1992:
12 O'Clock
Arnie (w/Deadline)
Bod the Alien (w/Deadline)
Catch
Cruel Zone (w/Deadline)
Demon Blues
Empius
Gauntlet III
Geo-Matrix (w/Deadline)
Haeger
International Ice Hockey (w/Deadline)
International Sports Challenge
Jonathan
Lemmings Prv
Little Hero Prv
Locomotion
No Deeper Meaning (w/Deadline)
Obicontrol
Pharao's Revenge
Quadrant
Robocod Prv (w/Deadline)
Rock, Paper & Shear
Striker in the crypts of Trojan (w/Deadline)
Tank Division (w/Deadline)
Tetrados
The Bod Squad
TDS Prv
There goes the neighbourhood... and NO fucking magazine-crap is listed.
And we all had so much fun of making jokes about your Hysteric-team.
Oh yeah, do you remember when Tyree wanted to kick your ass and you were trying to bring Majesty with you? And as you never showed up and were too afraid of facing the real, Tyree just kicked Mayesty's ass and left him lying around in the corner at the ARC+DOM-Party... THAT is the way Tyree was acting - THAT is the way you always behaved and you still do.
Well, talking about Majesty/Talent I remember him(drunk with a big big bottle of beer:-) from one of the first "The Partys" in Aars/Denmark... Guess it must have been in 1991 or 1992, and I must say that - at that time - me and my friends remember Majesty as a FUCKING tough guy/skinhead in military boots , that I don´t think anybody at that party would actually dare to beat up. I´ve never met Tyree - is he like Majesty since he could beat him?
Well it´s 12-13 years ago now, and I´m MUCH bigger today(one big mean motherfucker,haha) so maybe if I met him today I wouldn´t think he was looking that tough :-) So to the germans who´ve met him - is Majesty that big/tall/tough as I remember him, or was it just because I wasn´t that big/tall myself back then in 1991?
I have only met him at the bbs´s since that party, and he seems like a quite nice german - so no offence at all!!!
Just curious!
Dishy
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: Just to name a few games first-released by Arcade in 1992:
12 O'Clock
Arnie (w/Deadline)
Bod the Alien (w/Deadline)
Catch
Cruel Zone (w/Deadline)
Demon Blues
Empius
Gauntlet III
Geo-Matrix (w/Deadline)
Haeger
International Ice Hockey (w/Deadline)
International Sports Challenge
Jonathan
Lemmings Prv
Little Hero Prv
Locomotion
No Deeper Meaning (w/Deadline)
Obicontrol
Pharao's Revenge
Quadrant
Robocod Prv (w/Deadline)
Rock, Paper & Shear
Striker in the crypts of Trojan (w/Deadline)
Tank Division (w/Deadline)
Tetrados
The Bod Squad
TDS Prv
There goes the neighbourhood... and NO fucking magazine-crap is listed.
And we all had so much fun of making jokes about your Hysteric-team.
Oh yeah, do you remember when Tyree wanted to kick your ass and you were trying to bring Majesty with you? And as you never showed up and were too afraid of facing the real, Tyree just kicked Mayesty's ass and left him lying around in the corner at the ARC+DOM-Party... THAT is the way Tyree was acting - THAT is the way you always behaved and you still do.
Well, talking about Majesty/Talent I remember him(drunk with a big big bottle of beer:-) from one of the first "The Partys" in Aars/Denmark... Guess it must have been in 1991 or 1992, and I must say that - at that time - me and my friends remember Majesty as a FUCKING tough guy/skinhead in military boots , that I don´t think anybody at that party would actually dare to beat up. I´ve never met Tyree - is he like Majesty since he could beat him?
Well it´s 12-13 years ago now, and I´m MUCH bigger today(one big mean motherfucker,haha) so maybe if I met him today I wouldn´t think he was looking that tough :-) So to the germans who´ve met him - is Majesty that big/tall/tough as I remember him, or was it just because I wasn´t that big/tall myself back then in 1991?
I have only met him at the bbs´s since that party, and he seems like a quite nice german - so no offence at all!!!
Just curious!
Dishy
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Hartmut ,today i got your telephone number from an old friend.It will be a nice January for you ! I have some plans with this loser number.It will be the famous gay fun line in germany
hahahaha
Go to hell gay |
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Radar
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Quote: Hartmut ,today i got your telephone number from an old friend.It will be a nice January for you ! I have some plans with this loser number.It will be the famous gay fun line in germany
hahahaha
Go to hell gay
Go for it and keep on praying my name.
So, I hope you do the first step. And make sure it hurts me, as you won't get any 2nd chances. |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: Fade, I hink that Radar appreciates the chance to boast about his rich past (not to mention his present ;-) and Secret Man is very good partner for that. According to conspiration theories, they might even be the same person.
Ofcouse they´re not the same person. I doubt that Radar would spend that much time on this, if they were the very same person.
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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hmmm just saw at http://www.c64.sk/, that it´s Radar´s birthday to day - so congratulations :-)
...just trying to make good spirits in here, hehe |
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drake
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happy birthday to you happy birthday to youuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!
;-) just want to enter the elite-scene ;-) |
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midfit
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Join Complex then :) |
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drake
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muhaha!! i crack everyone :) |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Join Complex then :)
Yeah Midlame,we need a nigger in complex and i think that you are the right man for this. |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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haha
hmm - Drake - everytime I see your handle it reminds me about the two danes Drake/Talent/DOM and Janec/Talent/Dominators.. hehe, but thats many yeas ago now..
Can´t you change handle:-) Just a joke:-) |
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drake
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originally i had another (dutch) handle but thats too hard for you to speak out. but: i also have another (fake) name ;) bad/teplaky crew
anyway...did someone need a niggah to join? im ya niggah bro' we'll kick some complex ashes....hehe |
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midfit
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Quote: Yeah Midlame,we need a nigger in complex and i think that you are the right man for this.
Sorry I don't work for fake Sublable's releasing Rips and SDK's. And especially not with lables who have the bad opportunity to have you on their memberstatus. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Sorry I don't work for fake Sublable's releasing Rips and SDK's. And especially not with lables who have the bad opportunity to have you on their memberstatus.
You will be our nigga and not more.
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
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Alright, the war against midfit and radar is fine by me. bit childish but whatever, but please stop using the word Nigga. That would be nice, thanks. |
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midfit
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Quote: You will be our nigga and not more.
Secret Man
I remember that I declined (paid) offers by the mothergroup of your sorry sublable in the past. I guess you have to pay to be a member there.
@Celtic: What are you expecting from somebody whose best friend calls hisself Skinhead? I mean isn't that speaking for himself? But I agree... Using that word is awful and makes me sick aswell. |
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CyberBrain
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Please keep your fighting to the forum, and outside the database. Some people wrote something in Secret Man's scener-record. Don't do stuff like that, please. :) |
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Radar
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Quote: Please keep your fighting to the forum, and outside the database. Some people wrote something in Secret Man's scener-record. Don't do stuff like that, please. :)
That wasn't me, I didnt even vote for him... and I hardly doubt that it was anybody who is writing here, neither Midfit nor anybody else. That must have been an affect-deal by somebody else who knows him and read this sub... |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Thanx for the nice vote,Hartmut.
Give me the adress in Hamburg and i will visit your shop |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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I met Majesty at the Ce-Bit place.He showed me his weapons.That was really hard. |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
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Quote: I met Majesty at the Ce-Bit place.He showed me his weapons.That was really hard.
Aheh... he showed you his 'weapon'... and it was hard.
Hrmm.
Okay... carry on. I just couldn't resist commenting on that one: sometimes, people just make it too easy.
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Radar
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Quote: Thanx for the nice vote,Hartmut.
Give me the adress in Hamburg and i will visit your shop
That's not the way it works. I know for sure which votes you made for who, and they didn't realy make sense at all, thrust me. Just giving people a bad vote of '1/awfull' bcoz you dont like them, but you dont even know them, doesn't make sense at all.
But as I'm loyal to the scene-history and people who were part of it, I didn't make any vote for people I didn't like in the past or today. That would spoil the point of why NoName created this nice database. That's why you didn't get any votes from me at all, the admins on here can prove that and let you know. That's the only way of staying fair to a thing we all were/are part of.
And why do you need the adress of my shops now? You wrote that you have been in one of them already, now you write that you want the adress to drive there? Stop making a fool out of yourself now, as that what you do is real pathetic by now. |
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midfit
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Quote: That's not the way it works. I know for sure which votes you made for who, and they didn't realy make sense at all, thrust me. Just giving people a bad vote of '1/awfull' bcoz you dont like them, but you dont even know them, doesn't make sense at all.
But as I'm loyal to the scene-history and people who were part of it, I didn't make any vote for people I didn't like in the past or today. That would spoil the point of why NoName created this nice database. That's why you didn't get any votes from me at all, the admins on here can prove that and let you know. That's the only way of staying fair to a thing we all were/are part of.
And why do you need the adress of my shops now? You wrote that you have been in one of them already, now you write that you want the adress to drive there? Stop making a fool out of yourself now, as that what you do is real pathetic by now.
Radar: He was running his fingers over a map of Germany! Thats how he got the imagination that he stood right infront of your store. Mushroom tea.. I only say.. Mushroom tea. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Someone deleted my account on Totalkaos.de
I dont need this board.Let the children play.
Secret Man-Complex |
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Radar
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Quote: Someone deleted my account on Totalkaos.de
I dont need this board.Let the children play.
Secret Man-Complex
Weird - as that board is also from (old) TRSI-dudes. How come that those people, in which group you claim to have rocked, klicked you out of there sight? Or maybe the Complex-members didn't know they had a member called Secret Man? Hm, now that REALY surprises us all... Seems like you didnt tell the truth then... again... oncer again... and ever again...
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Weird - as that board is also from (old) TRSI-dudes. How come that those people, in which group you claim to have rocked, klicked you out of there sight? Or maybe the Complex-members didn't know they had a member called Secret Man? Hm, now that REALY surprises us all... Seems like you didnt tell the truth then... again... oncer again... and ever again...
This Totalkaos board sux.Im on several boards so i dont need this.
Secret Man the busisness man |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Someone deleted my account on Totalkaos.de
I dont need this board.Let the children play.
Secret Man-Complex
I kinda wish someone else would follow that someone's example.
Richard come back, all is forgiven! |
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Radar
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Quote: I kinda wish someone else would follow that someone's example.
Richard come back, all is forgiven!
On THAT I totally agreee NOW. Perff, maybe that would be the best way, think about it! |
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Intensity
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Quote: Fade, I hink that Radar appreciates the chance to boast about his rich past (not to mention his present ;-) and Secret Man is very good partner for that. According to conspiration theories, they might even be the same person.
Conspiration Theories? Where??? :P |
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Intensity
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BTW, nothing against Radar, but guess how the avatar of Radar look like in totalkaos.de ! LOL, this is something to piss in the pants... The sign of the illuminatis with that triangle and the eye in it.
Now I am truley convinced that these bullshit-topics are part of a conspiration theory! :P |
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Radar
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Quote: BTW, nothing against Radar, but guess how the avatar of Radar look like in totalkaos.de ! LOL, this is something to piss in the pants... The sign of the illuminatis with that triangle and the eye in it.
Now I am truley convinced that these bullshit-topics are part of a conspiration theory! :P
The theory of Illuminati is far away from the sign I'm using. I could tell a hell lot of examples where this sign is used in all different ways with all different explanations. Freemasony for example, symbol of light, etc. etc. etc. |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 475 |
how about we all focus on more important things now .. like meatball-recipes, how nice the last spliff was, or crude sexual fantasies.
really, the oldfashioned namecalling is getting boring by now. |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 69 |
Quote: how about we all focus on more important things now .. like meatball-recipes, how nice the last spliff was, or crude sexual fantasies.
really, the oldfashioned namecalling is getting boring by now.
Ah, meatballs. I used to make really good meatballs. I mean, like, award-winning-had-I-ever-entered-them-in-a-contest-in-which-to-win-an-award good. The secret was paprika.
I also used to have very crude sexual fantasies. Strangely, the secret was also paprika.
Er...
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Well the Ikea meatballs are quite okay! At least, over here!
Can't believe how many Ikea vistors just eat in their "restaurants". I prefer a real restaurant anyway!
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Derision, Dalezy, Nafcom: Please, we're digressing from the main topic!
Come on, Secret Superman, give us one more swear word we haven't heard from you so far. That overall variety didn't convince me too much, but maybe it's just your denglish, which doesn't allow for more... |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Derision, Dalezy, Nafcom: Please, we're digressing from the main topic!
Come on, Secret Superman, give us one more swear word we haven't heard from you so far. That overall variety didn't convince me too much, but maybe it's just your denglish, which doesn't allow for more...
Well, my English isn't perfect either and I like meatballs.
But of course you are right |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
No doubt that meatballs _are_ amongst the nicest things that mankind has ever invented for eating!
I prefer the bigger variant of them, we call em Fleischpflanzerl, Fleischküchle or Bulletten (depending on the area you live in). Tastes great with brown onion rings and ketchup, served inbetween the two halves of a bun. Yummy! :-)
Damn, I'm digressing myself... |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: No doubt that meatballs _are_ amongst the nicest things that mankind has ever invented for eating!
I prefer the bigger variant of them, we call em Fleischpflanzerl, Fleischküchle or Bulletten (depending on the area you live in). Tastes great with brown onion rings and ketchup, served inbetween the two halves of a bun. Yummy! :-)
Damn, I'm digressing myself...
and here some translation for the non-German speakers ;)
Fleischpflanzerl = Meat plant
Fleischküchle = meat cake
Bulletten = rissole
and that rissole comes from dic.leo.org :D
And well, we called them "fleichklöpfe" (which dict.leo.org says is exactly "meatballs" :)
Bedtime!
Bye!
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 475 |
germans are crazy people, always inventing new words for buletten.
anyway, seems we had our weekly dose of denglish now. it was fun while it lasted. |
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 69 |
Damn, now I want a meatball sandwich (generic American term). And onion rings. My world for an onion ring.
Hmm. I wonder if I can find a deli that's still open...
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drake
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there is a german-to-english translation....
but no german-to-dutch translation...
ofcourse this is off-topic ;-) but what about the request:
"looking for pictures of the fat count zero" ??
don't know what kind of guy secret man is? probably a gay who can't handle his sexual problems..er...
ah, well, i guess this is a discussion about discussions..nothing more. :) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 118 |
Yeah, is still wonder who has the pictures? \
Drake has a point here...
And Fat Count Zero?? I think the whole scene has become a little fatter with the years, atleast i know i am. ;) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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How about meatball pics?! :D |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Yeah, is still wonder who has the pictures? \
Drake has a point here...
And Fat Count Zero?? I think the whole scene has become a little fatter with the years, atleast i know i am. ;)
I saw this Count Zero at the Ce-Bit place.This is not a man.This is a monster.He looks like a fat meatball.I bet this midshit could be his brother.Really loathsomeness.
I would say circular hippopotami.
Secret Man - The athletical Man |
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midfit
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And I bet you are an extraterristic meatball. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: And I bet you are an extraterristic meatball.
Midshit,i think you are wrong here.Go to the church,there you can bet.
I hate this meatball face
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Radar
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Quote: Midshit,i think you are wrong here.Go to the church,there you can bet.
I hate this meatball face
Did somebody already tell you, that you can 'pray' in a church and not 'bet'? Maybe you can 'bet' in it aswell, but normal people like we use to do that at other places... |
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Nafcom
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Quote: germans are crazy people, always inventing new words for buletten.
anyway, seems we had our weekly dose of denglish now. it was fun while it lasted.
I have heard, in some areas of Germany, people call police officers "Buletten" or "Bulletten"...
Yep, and I agree, Denglish time was nice.
Anybody ready for Spenglish?! (but I do not understand Spanish :-/ ).
Or Menglish (Malay-English mix). |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
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applause or something |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: applause or something
I am afraid that it does not worth one :-/ |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
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Nafcom. U mean "Bullen"
:D
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Nafcom
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Quote: Nafcom. U mean "Bullen"
:D
Yep, I know that, too.
But I have heard, in some areas, they call them "Buletten".
Don't ask me where.
I could also be wrong :-/
Don't quote me on that |
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Steppe
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POZELEI! |
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Nafcom
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Fuzz! [slang] |
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Count Zero
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peace brothers (and sisters),
before you even get the chance: I am only reading and posting on THIS thread since forums and BBS-ish stuff is(became) boredom and a waste of time to me. People (true elites infact) pointed me to check my account again and mess you people for good.... :) --- otherwise I wouldn't even care to click the URL I got mailed.
and aswell: no, my spelling is much better, I just don't care for it after too many hours of computer work every day.
So, to get things going:
- It's not even funny anymore when people try to use nicks/handles as insults. I bet many people, from radork to sekret woman, WILL figure that coming up with something original to get the best laugh or hardest prick from it is not even worth the time spending on making them up.
- YES, I *CAN* make SM sweat: http://dienstagstreff.de/dienstagstreff/profil_count0.php3 will sure make him cum ...
(still fat and successful with it)
- The release lists, I just threw a quick look on, were ranging from nicely done to *LOL* ---- C'mon Hartmut, Arcade programmed their own shit 90% of the time, there WERE re-releases (13 yrs after, admit it, google proves you wrong in minutes) --- Nice one to Middy for giving a rather complete list it seems - also showing on the other side that there were so few fullpricers in the "last days" of what many of you regard as something they (seem to) want back.
What's he talkin of ?
... the dying of the cracking scene ...
[ ed.note: From here on I'll try to address the people who were active in the early nineties and think they can live off the "fame" they earned back then.
Nooooo, nobody of "you" does that ... sure thing ... laughter ]
Ye rite, stoned Count Zero is making fun of the atmosphere aswell which floats through this thread and which shows again that one bad apple spoils the whole damn bunch.
A single Secret Man it takes to poison otherwise more or less useful discussions and to take it to a ragging level which may have been well enough in our youth, but from which we (well, you) should have outgrown by now.
Many of you (seem/do) take their remembrance of a glorious time when the computer was big aswell - and - reflect it to current scenes and machines.
Guess you are mistaken here somehow. If some 15-20 yrs didn't show you by now that there is no history on "our" machines which makes your colors brighter after a while like it is on "real" written history, you are not even worth longish writing like this one.
Infact, every pointless decision in adding your name to a crack (in-game, not intro and such), turned out quite soon as a fatal mistake. [pointinghere to e.g. "last releases" which only fix, but never (should) change anything on a game otherwise]
We are looking forward to even take such stuff to higher levels. Code-comparisons and properly written descriptions on any released c64-bit will someday be archived in order. Every little text-improvement and gfx-change will get documented one or the other way. Trust me - "information technology" as we know it has to evolve to succeed and in another 5 years you laugh about your X-BOX, but are very well able to find out easily which game exactly was modified in which way and which version of cruel crunch is the same with just 5 bytes changed than another.
Conclusion: whenever you are not actively working on any real c64-related side anymore, ALL OF YOU - shut the fuck up and get lost. You are completely WRONG here and unwanted on 90% of all other current c64 "institutions" --- malinglists, IRC, forums and most likely BBS'es.
I *AM* working on several c64-projects next to a reallife computer job. Don't even think I wouldn't be in the place to be able to measure YOUR mileage. :)
Let's raise the level a little more and comment on the computer insults here:
(and also raise the linguistic level aswell, though a fallback from some people's side here is pre-programmed --- real raggers know :) )
I for my part can very well say that I know the machines I work with quite well. That's by far more than especially Secret Man will ever be able to honestly say.
There is basically nothing wrong with that since people's interests are merely different and there are people being into programming pacman in excel or hacking gamecube stuff.
Nevertheless, humans also put you into a drawer once they got to know you. No 10 or 40 years will change much of your view on other people unless you meet and *cummunicate* regularly.
Too bad social relations and real communication is something which was suffering bleeding edge in "the good old days" of the scene. Everybody was trying to use a linguistic code as much elaborated as possible or just "fuck you, dingo" all the way, whatever was possible to the person. It's especially fun to see that one can still trigger these instincts with the right amount of words nowadays.
Makes me think of the "10.000 apes typing shakespeare" theory somehow.
One fact is, that the "glorious" cracking scene was 'just' one of many bunches of average people having specialised on something that took humanity some 10000 yrs to teach these apes -> teamwork.
It's still the same nowadays. Teamwork makes M$ produce one bad thing after another (open source is no better) and a specialised team of apes buys or copies all the products to use and abuse them.
Now, decide for yourself, are you an ape USING stuff or a human working/developing with stuff ?
Damn, for some console geeks the question MAY sound hard, it is easy to answer in such a case though. :)
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
--- excitingly and wetting for the "fuck you, Count Kilo"-answer --- uh --- cum --- give it to me ... SUPPLIER ...
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote:
peace brothers (and sisters),
before you even get the chance: I am only reading and posting on THIS thread since forums and BBS-ish stuff is(became) boredom and a waste of time to me. People (true elites infact) pointed me to check my account again and mess you people for good.... :) --- otherwise I wouldn't even care to click the URL I got mailed.
and aswell: no, my spelling is much better, I just don't care for it after too many hours of computer work every day.
So, to get things going:
- It's not even funny anymore when people try to use nicks/handles as insults. I bet many people, from radork to sekret woman, WILL figure that coming up with something original to get the best laugh or hardest prick from it is not even worth the time spending on making them up.
- YES, I *CAN* make SM sweat: http://dienstagstreff.de/dienstagstreff/profil_count0.php3 will sure make him cum ...
(still fat and successful with it)
- The release lists, I just threw a quick look on, were ranging from nicely done to *LOL* ---- C'mon Hartmut, Arcade programmed their own shit 90% of the time, there WERE re-releases (13 yrs after, admit it, google proves you wrong in minutes) --- Nice one to Middy for giving a rather complete list it seems - also showing on the other side that there were so few fullpricers in the "last days" of what many of you regard as something they (seem to) want back.
What's he talkin of ?
... the dying of the cracking scene ...
[ ed.note: From here on I'll try to address the people who were active in the early nineties and think they can live off the "fame" they earned back then.
Nooooo, nobody of "you" does that ... sure thing ... laughter ]
Ye rite, stoned Count Zero is making fun of the atmosphere aswell which floats through this thread and which shows again that one bad apple spoils the whole damn bunch.
A single Secret Man it takes to poison otherwise more or less useful discussions and to take it to a ragging level which may have been well enough in our youth, but from which we (well, you) should have outgrown by now.
Many of you (seem/do) take their remembrance of a glorious time when the computer was big aswell - and - reflect it to current scenes and machines.
Guess you are mistaken here somehow. If some 15-20 yrs didn't show you by now that there is no history on "our" machines which makes your colors brighter after a while like it is on "real" written history, you are not even worth longish writing like this one.
Infact, every pointless decision in adding your name to a crack (in-game, not intro and such), turned out quite soon as a fatal mistake. [pointinghere to e.g. "last releases" which only fix, but never (should) change anything on a game otherwise]
We are looking forward to even take such stuff to higher levels. Code-comparisons and properly written descriptions on any released c64-bit will someday be archived in order. Every little text-improvement and gfx-change will get documented one or the other way. Trust me - "information technology" as we know it has to evolve to succeed and in another 5 years you laugh about your X-BOX, but are very well able to find out easily which game exactly was modified in which way and which version of cruel crunch is the same with just 5 bytes changed than another.
Conclusion: whenever you are not actively working on any real c64-related side anymore, ALL OF YOU - shut the fuck up and get lost. You are completely WRONG here and unwanted on 90% of all other current c64 "institutions" --- malinglists, IRC, forums and most likely BBS'es.
I *AM* working on several c64-projects next to a reallife computer job. Don't even think I wouldn't be in the place to be able to measure YOUR mileage. :)
Let's raise the level a little more and comment on the computer insults here:
(and also raise the linguistic level aswell, though a fallback from some people's side here is pre-programmed --- real raggers know :) )
I for my part can very well say that I know the machines I work with quite well. That's by far more than especially Secret Man will ever be able to honestly say.
There is basically nothing wrong with that since people's interests are merely different and there are people being into programming pacman in excel or hacking gamecube stuff.
Nevertheless, humans also put you into a drawer once they got to know you. No 10 or 40 years will change much of your view on other people unless you meet and *cummunicate* regularly.
Too bad social relations and real communication is something which was suffering bleeding edge in "the good old days" of the scene. Everybody was trying to use a linguistic code as much elaborated as possible or just "fuck you, dingo" all the way, whatever was possible to the person. It's especially fun to see that one can still trigger these instincts with the right amount of words nowadays.
Makes me think of the "10.000 apes typing shakespeare" theory somehow.
One fact is, that the "glorious" cracking scene was 'just' one of many bunches of average people having specialised on something that took humanity some 10000 yrs to teach these apes -> teamwork.
It's still the same nowadays. Teamwork makes M$ produce one bad thing after another (open source is no better) and a specialised team of apes buys or copies all the products to use and abuse them.
Now, decide for yourself, are you an ape USING stuff or a human working/developing with stuff ?
Damn, for some console geeks the question MAY sound hard, it is easy to answer in such a case though. :)
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
--- excitingly and wetting for the "fuck you, Count Kilo"-answer --- uh --- cum --- give it to me ... SUPPLIER ...
Thats all what i wanted.Nice to see Count Zero here.And he gave me my request,this cool picture which looks very good.
I will take it to my wall of famous C64 dudes.Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaah.So,its time for another request.
100 Euro for this dude which can give me an picture of this UGLY Radork.50 Euro more for his telephone number.
Leave me mail..............
Hey Count Zero,seems so that you made diet,if i look at your picture.
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midfit
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Kudos to Count Zero for this nice post.
After all I really enjoyed reading it and I haven't expected that someone would have posted something like this. While the post was a bit long, I must say it was interesting to read your words here. It took some time :) I must say that I am on your line concerning many of the points you have brought up here. I won't go into details, as I think that this would ruin any other views by people who came dry sofar within this thread. We know that this thread mainly was focussed on personal insults and about 35% of real arguments. But I hope we once have the possibility to discuss the topic on an upcoming party. Refreshing to see that somebody is actually expressing his opinion quite well -- Nice. My respect! |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Kudos to Count Zero for this nice post.
After all I really enjoyed reading it and I haven't expected that someone would have posted something like this. While the post was a bit long, I must say it was interesting to read your words here. It took some time :) I must say that I am on your line concerning many of the points you have brought up here. I won't go into details, as I think that this would ruin any other views by people who came dry sofar within this thread. We know that this thread mainly was focussed on personal insults and about 35% of real arguments. But I hope we once have the possibility to discuss the topic on an upcoming party. Refreshing to see that somebody is actually expressing his opinion quite well -- Nice. My respect!
Oh Midshit ,you a miscreant.First you said that Red Sector was a lame group and now you are asslicking.Its really misleading. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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"Conclusion: whenever you are not actively working on any real c64-related side anymore, ALL OF YOU - shut the fuck up and get lost. You are completely WRONG here and unwanted on 90% of all other current c64 "institutions" --- malinglists, IRC, forums and most likely BBS'es"
Thanx for saying that. I just would like to add that zombies who have crawled out of their scene graves should crawl back to the dirt of the history.. (maybe just being so nice and leaving their profile updated with whatever important info, missing.. ;-) |
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Radar
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Quote: "Conclusion: whenever you are not actively working on any real c64-related side anymore, ALL OF YOU - shut the fuck up and get lost. You are completely WRONG here and unwanted on 90% of all other current c64 "institutions" --- malinglists, IRC, forums and most likely BBS'es"
Thanx for saying that. I just would like to add that zombies who have crawled out of their scene graves should crawl back to the dirt of the history.. (maybe just being so nice and leaving their profile updated with whatever important info, missing.. ;-)
THAT is a lack of respect, nothing else that I could comment to this crap. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: THAT is a lack of respect, nothing else that I could comment to this crap.
You know very well what I mean. Nobody needs your silly wars. They are over 15 years ago and you drag them to the new millenium. Who disrepspects whom? You with your sidekick The Secret Man are deliberately trashing this SCENE forum with your pathetic silly arguments. In other words, he is the trool and you are feeding him. If you are that great elite guy respecting old values, try to move this argument to where it belonged in past. To release scrolltexts and demos. If you can't then you should maybe find some other forum for your "wars" as this is not a "retro C64 database" there still are people who do something on C64 and you as it seem aren't one of them.
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midfit
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Actually this Database is living from retro entries. And thats how the C64 will be remembered and gets referred to. And there is nobody coming from a grave here. If you refer to activity in general. |
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Radar
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That's actually the arrogance I meant. What made you posting to one of this threads then? When two or more sceners from the past feed this thread, you don't even have any clue what it is about. When we spoke about groups like Dynamix, Arcade, Legend or Illusion, then we talked about groups you never saw in action and will never see again. We spoke and wrote about the real scene back then on real 64s and with real floppy-drives. We didn't just click on the emulator, loaded our RAM-extension from HD and looked at the codes and the work from other people. People like you learned to know the emulator by watching at our old wares. Now don't tell me something else, as this is the fact. Don't tell me that you could (re-)release TOKI without watching at the version done by DOC, Powerplant, Rockstar, Antitrack or Drake (the old one from denmark).
And when you start to complain that this database is for todays scene only and that old sceners have nothing to do with it, I want to hear this from the runners of this database and not from a goat like you. Let's have a look at the voted top-group: Crest, Fairlight, Eaglesoft, Hotline and Talent on the first 5 places. ALL groups built in the past where they had their first and real success.
And that's actually the reason why I don't respect lamers like you. As far as people stay straight in their abilities and straight to what they do, they earn my respect. People like you who spoil the past with their 'I wanna be somebody'-attitide, will never ever earn my respect, neither will they ever be part of any scene at all. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Well, speaking as somebody who has been active both in the past (since '87) and still is today (new demo coming up soon), and who still uses a real c64 to do his coding work, all I can say is that I agree with CreaMD. Although I'm definitely on your side in your argument with Secret Man, this thing is starting to get out of hand. No less than 3 threads are constantly being filled with some of the most stupid threats I've read in years. I like ragging as much as the next guy (had some great 'wars' on Spankerz Heaven) but most of this ain't funny, just stupid.
So what if you guys had first-releases in the past? Doesn't matter anymore. So what if you guys both have at least 30 stores? Doesn't impress me much, and I'm sure most people here feel the same way. Hey, I could go around saying that I worked with some of the best demo-talents on the c64 ever (past), and that right now I'm friends with one of the most powerful crimelords in Amsterdam (present). You know what? It doesn't matter. All that matters is that it would make me come off as an ass.
Ofcourse we're interested in what you did for the scene, but just don't dwell on it. Earn your respect, don't demand it. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Hi there.
Okay, another 2 cents from me.
First of all; I see the point in what CreamD and The Dark Judge say and I miss the point in around 130 posts of this thread.
I know that the scene has been differing in past, no question about that.
What many "old elite sceners" who aren't active noawadays forget:
It's nice that they have ruled in the past, that John Doe did a firsty in releasing game XYZ and the other ruling group first ZYX!
Why don't you stand up and say: "Yo guys, I have this and those skills, any group who wants me to join - I would like to support you".
Instead I hear a lot of blabla about the past - "nice"!
I have nothing about the past, it was no doubt a wonderful time .
But how about starting a thread about new activities instead of old past ones?!
How about adding to your fame of past fame of present and future? ;)
There's a second problem:
Now you do join a group but of course the real elite is too much worth to join a new group which really would let you enter with much happines and being glad and thankful till the rest of their activity/live.
So, because an elite scener needs an elite group, this scener joins a group who was elite and active in _the past_.
Now let's face reality: Did all the elite groups of the past get alive with zero effort?!
No! I am sure they started low!
What many people of the past forget about 2 things:
1) Bringing up a new group and new members and new sceners is _fun_.
I am sure even an elite scener of the past would be happy if his fresh and new group he joined grows and get more and more active! The quality of the releases get better and better!
2) The scene nowadays is only kept alive because of teamwork and supporting each other a lot!
We don't don't flame the boards with "You are an ass, you suck!" threads and posts. And we don't PM each other with the words: "Hey lamer, did you eat the wrong breakfast you ass?! - I will come and catchya!"
There is even a third thing (so, scroll back and change the '2' in your mind into a '3' :).
3) Nowadays the scene has no support from outside the scene. Many things have got harder.
And I swear to support others and I will always respect the support from others and do everything to keep this - maybe not oldschool - C64 scene alive.
And I am sure many people reading this Do Want to keep the C64 scene alive, too!
I respect the efforts of sceners nowadays and their efforts.
I also do not put in question the glory, activities and efforts of the sceners in past!
I like both, the past and the present! :)
And I bet neither of us want to be urged to say like a grandfather: "Junior, there has been a time there was a little computer and it had a community of fans and freaks called the "C64 Scene" and I ...".
I want to see C64 Scene always alive!
And respects and thanks to all C64 sceners nowadays for their help and effort and support in keeping this alive! (The C64 Scene).
We are all sitting in one boat and so let's steer the ship together!
And just to avoid troubles:
My post is meant to be in general and not dedicated to anybody! so, I have even not any pseudos in mind who I would ever call a "dirty rat"!
So for,
Joerg / Nafcom |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
"And that's actually the reason why I don't respect lamers like you. As far as people stay straight in their abilities and straight to what they do, they earn my respect. People like you who spoil the past with their 'I wanna be somebody'-attitide, will never ever earn my respect, neither will they ever be part of any scene at all."
Radar so you say I'm lamer? You talk about straight abilities. Gaining respect? But while I do code, compose and even design on working C64, you just (seem) to talk talk and talk. My C64 is not covered by dust like (probably) your one at the parent's house loft. So keep on talking coz that's the last thing of your abilities which (possibly) stayed in you. The rest is probably long forgotten. You are claiming respect for things you did in past. Well I do *respect* the past, but as far as arrogance and behaviour is concerned I'm incomparably more respectful towards past than you are towards the present. Just recall how you introduced yourself in CSDB: "Who is fucking responsible for this?". So you think this is the way how a respectable scener introduces himself?
You (probably) know nothing about what's happening and what was released while you've been away and you want to teach me respect? Well, first try to get back to reality of this scene and maybe I'll accept your stands, but when you'll be boasting about groups I haven't experienced in action... oh please! That's even better than one guy's argument starting with "I've been around when...", I've heard few years ago in last century on IRC. Do you really believe that your gf or wife will be happy when you tell her how much you loved her 5 years ago? One kiss would do much more than thousand words!
And as far as your respect towards me is concerned. I'm not the kind of person who lives from such things. I don't yearn to gain it in any way although sometimes people acuse me of many things ;-)
I care about today's scene, but can you say the same? By your actions you have defined yourself as a retired scene-ego walking around with your hands streched forward... It's on you to change that image by getting more involved with todays happenings in the C64 scene.
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midfit
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How do you know anybody of the socalled "retired" scene egos stretching their hands are "retired" at all? And why do anybody need to get active again in this C64 scene if he decided that it is maybe not worth his time. Does that forbids him to talk about the scene and/or about C64 in general? Does that kill his competence he has proven over the years? Does that kill his love for the C64? Do you think that he owes the C64 any kind of support? For what? I can follow your view and opinions but try to see it from another side of the medal.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: How do you know anybody of the socalled "retired" scene egos stretching their hands are "retired" at all? And why do anybody need to get active again in this C64 scene if he decided that it is maybe not worth his time. Does that forbids him to talk about the scene and/or about C64 in general? Does that kill his competence he has proven over the years? Does that kill his love for the C64? Do you think that he owes the C64 any kind of support? For what? I can follow your view and opinions but try to see it from another side of the medal.
Retired scene ego walking around stretching their hands forward <-> zombies...
If I speak about scene in this particular place I always mean the C64 scene, other scenes (like XBOX scene or Gameboy scene aren't important in this place).
I don't forbid him anything I just react on his post which you for sure have read. Don't you think it's full of (to put it as harmlessly as possible) unfortunate insults? He doubted my competence I doubt his competence. Radar's past achievments are out of question here and I have never doubted them.
His love for C64. For that machine which doesn't gain any fame nor profit anymore, that piece of plastic and electronics which brings a lot of memories and nostalgia that good old 8 bit which brings so many memories back. Loving something gratituously is something like altruism, or better said, passion, right? Midfit, I try to see it from the other side of the medal, and maybe I'm blind, but I see more narcissm than passion.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
's funny, becoz I've been on both sides. Around '96/'97 I came back from a 'hiatus' so to speak, and was shocked by the (in my eyes) unoriginal demostyle that ruled the scene then. I spoke up against it, and immediately was branded a dinosaur who had no right to speak since I wasn't active anymore. Still I like to think that I won that war, and I even 'returned' some time later which makes me 'active' again. Which hasn't changed me a bit, I still step on people's toes.
All this active/not-active bullshit really doesn't matter to me. People can get my respect either based on what they did in the past, or what they do nowadays, but esp. based on how they act now. Radar might have been a big name in the past, but most certainly not "One of the most famous persons ever been in the scene" (bad English his, not mine). But even if he was, that would give him no right to act so arrogant with his "we discuss groups you don't even know". Guess what, I remember those groups, hell, I even remember "Snoopy" but to me CreaMD is a more worthy scener because of what he pulls off with www.c64.sk. Sure, the c64 scene nowadays can't hold a candle to that of the late 80's but that doesn't automatically mean that all sceners from that time are better than today's sceners. Because if that was true, Crossbow/Crest & me would rule you all since we've both been releasing demos since '87 :) Okay, his are a bit better (okay, a lot better) but still ..
I know Jeroen Tel quite well, he has been in my group since '95 and we've also done some non-scene stuff together (cheap plug: http://members.chello.nl/agony2) but he would never act up this way. And he really is "One of the most famous persons ever been in the scene".
On the other hand, I don't mind old sceners coming around here, hell, I welcome them, it always thrills me to see a name from my past showing up. But dragging your old battles with you and then telling people to be quiet when they complain about it, uhm, that's a no-no.
So please, give your opinion, share your views, but don't expect people to just shut up because you had some first releases 10 years ago. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Its true.I miss the old times and i miss many cool dudes.I just remember the cool music on this little computer which was made by Markus Schneider (Level99).I loved these art of music.
Time is running and in 2 years i can throw my x-box to da wall
and we have 256 bits or so.
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Radar
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As for the sense and the point - everybody reads Midfit's post once again.
So why does anybody wants to get respected when he doesn't even respect other sceners? Now I could do the same with The Dark Judge of what CremieD tried to explain with my old handle. I could go and say (I keep it in a short way in order to not make anybody standing up and asking for a dictionary again): "What the hell do I care of JT, what the hell do I care of demo-people, what the hell do I care about people who joined any 64-forces after 94." Sure I DON'T think that way. BUT any reaction is based on what happened before. I don't even know what CreamieD does, so how could I do any serious judgement on any work from a CERTAIN person? BUT CreamieD knows what other people did in the past, so he CAN judge. That's just the point.
A fine story right now and here: When I called up #c-64 on IRCNet, I asked about the sense of re-releasing games. The first answer from a bunch of dorks was: "Well, we do the versions of games from those retards who couldn't do any decent version at all in the past!". I asked for a specific example and again the answer was: "In general, none of the past sceners was able to do a good version at all". One of those persons was CremieD, also people like Murdock etc. spoke up.
When I was trying to explain about the different possibilities from nowadays and back then, answer great answer hit the floor: "So what, not our problem that you guys were stupid".
So yeah, THAT is the way you newskoolers reacted BUT that ain't for sure the way it has been. And that's were a lack of respects appears. WORD!
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CreaMD
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Quote: As for the sense and the point - everybody reads Midfit's post once again.
So why does anybody wants to get respected when he doesn't even respect other sceners? Now I could do the same with The Dark Judge of what CremieD tried to explain with my old handle. I could go and say (I keep it in a short way in order to not make anybody standing up and asking for a dictionary again): "What the hell do I care of JT, what the hell do I care of demo-people, what the hell do I care about people who joined any 64-forces after 94." Sure I DON'T think that way. BUT any reaction is based on what happened before. I don't even know what CreamieD does, so how could I do any serious judgement on any work from a CERTAIN person? BUT CreamieD knows what other people did in the past, so he CAN judge. That's just the point.
A fine story right now and here: When I called up #c-64 on IRCNet, I asked about the sense of re-releasing games. The first answer from a bunch of dorks was: "Well, we do the versions of games from those retards who couldn't do any decent version at all in the past!". I asked for a specific example and again the answer was: "In general, none of the past sceners was able to do a good version at all". One of those persons was CremieD, also people like Murdock etc. spoke up.
When I was trying to explain about the different possibilities from nowadays and back then, answer great answer hit the floor: "So what, not our problem that you guys were stupid".
So yeah, THAT is the way you newskoolers reacted BUT that ain't for sure the way it has been. And that's were a lack of respects appears. WORD!
Firstly. If you wanted to make my name sound like "creamed" you should probly check dictionary.
Secondly don't put my names together with other names. I don't compare you with other idiots I have met in past either. As far as my opinion on recrackers is concerned it's simple. Recracking sucks. I had argue with one dude who was re-releasing games for C64 and some people here probably remember that debate at lemon64.com. But my opinion on golden releases (or whatever you call them) stays the same. Jack Alien, GrG and bunch of others are making perfect versions of old games. Have you checked the new stuff? Obviusly not, otherwise you would get the message. I do respect people who *crack* the game again, polish it out, remove known bugs get the original pic, original manual and make a good package. Something for which first releasers didn't have time, in past.
As far as your attitude towards newschoolers is concerned. You have A LOT to learn to catch up the train. The scene has evolved and you just stayed in your past full of fuckings and lamers. If we want to insult anyone we find better words for that and definitely I don't need to say 4 letter words to persuade anyone about my opinion.
Midfit also did say that he follows my views. And as far as the other things are concerned he just pointed out that you might be incompetent today and forget everything about C64 and still be respected. He also said that you might love C64, but again you prove that you put yourself and your past in front of everything else. Please either return to the scene, get back your sixtyfour, or load up an emulator. Check at least 10 best games released in past 10 years and about 20 demos, read few cool mags and then maybe get here and tell us your opinion about how badly scene attitudes have changed. |
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midfit
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Stop. I hope that you are talking globally here. I haven't said that Radar is incompetant. For me his competance is out of question. I said that I can follow your views and opinions. And maybe out of your direction they look right. But see it out of Radar position and it surely has nothing to do with narcissm. I am very sure that he has a professional arrogance, which is nothing wrong in my opinion as he actually knows what he was and INFACT IS DOING. Radar has only one attitude against newskoolers and thats something I always criticize myself too. Back in time people had to do things with much lower possibilities as today. Many people of today forget this and criticize old items, instead of just taking it as a good work in its own manner. I guess there is a difference between using a highly advanced tool instead of trying to have your own tools to do something. So reduce the outstunning work of several GOLDEN cracking lables to a good version, but remind yourself that they are using tools and advanced techniques based on the evolution produced by old people. So where is the point you will be asking. It is as you said.. Scene is like a wall .. Every brick builds upon another brick. So at that point there is no place for saying "Look.. I have outstunned that old Radwar version of XYZ".. Because you cracked it from disk with your cart, packed it with some cross packing tools and Radwar did it with bare hands. And sure it appears to some of you that disliking oldie cracks is the ignorance of the eternally of yesterday. But what is so hard to accept that some people still follow their codex from the past? After all this isn't so bad as you may have described it.. Because the real evolution of all other scenes following the CBM 64 was driven by C64 people with that codex. So it can't be so wrong after all. |
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drake
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okay, i admit that the past of our scene still s something which is important to keep in our mind. if i was an 'elite-scener' who did good cracks and earned credits for his hard work i should have a less respect for the sceners today.
but i think that the scene today is a different one than the scene 10 years ago. as already been mentioned,the 'old scene' died long time ago. the scene has changed and for some people hurts this a lot.
i respect the old crackers/supliers/golden ones/whatever a lot but if they are only talking about the old scene and are only hacking and burning newcomers they should expect that those 'newcomers' will have their word back.
radar, with all respect, but if you're only talking nothing will come from your hands! ever thought about the fact that thanks to those newcomers there still IS a scene? there are still parties and you can visit them!! ;-)
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yago
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: okay, i admit that the past of our scene still s something which is important to keep in our mind. if i was an 'elite-scener' who did good cracks and earned credits for his hard work i should have a less respect for the sceners today.
but i think that the scene today is a different one than the scene 10 years ago. as already been mentioned,the 'old scene' died long time ago. the scene has changed and for some people hurts this a lot.
i respect the old crackers/supliers/golden ones/whatever a lot but if they are only talking about the old scene and are only hacking and burning newcomers they should expect that those 'newcomers' will have their word back.
radar, with all respect, but if you're only talking nothing will come from your hands! ever thought about the fact that thanks to those newcomers there still IS a scene? there are still parties and you can visit them!! ;-)
Which brings as back to the topic.
There _are_ photos of Count Zero, because he is an active Scener, visiting Partys and not just sitting alone behind his computer and trying to insult everybody who has more knowledge.
ZY (the oldest newschooler alive)
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The Overkiller
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Quote: Firstly. If you wanted to make my name sound like "creamed" you should probly check dictionary.
Secondly don't put my names together with other names. I don't compare you with other idiots I have met in past either. As far as my opinion on recrackers is concerned it's simple. Recracking sucks. I had argue with one dude who was re-releasing games for C64 and some people here probably remember that debate at lemon64.com. But my opinion on golden releases (or whatever you call them) stays the same. Jack Alien, GrG and bunch of others are making perfect versions of old games. Have you checked the new stuff? Obviusly not, otherwise you would get the message. I do respect people who *crack* the game again, polish it out, remove known bugs get the original pic, original manual and make a good package. Something for which first releasers didn't have time, in past.
As far as your attitude towards newschoolers is concerned. You have A LOT to learn to catch up the train. The scene has evolved and you just stayed in your past full of fuckings and lamers. If we want to insult anyone we find better words for that and definitely I don't need to say 4 letter words to persuade anyone about my opinion.
Midfit also did say that he follows my views. And as far as the other things are concerned he just pointed out that you might be incompetent today and forget everything about C64 and still be respected. He also said that you might love C64, but again you prove that you put yourself and your past in front of everything else. Please either return to the scene, get back your sixtyfour, or load up an emulator. Check at least 10 best games released in past 10 years and about 20 demos, read few cool mags and then maybe get here and tell us your opinion about how badly scene attitudes have changed.
A recrack is when you steal the work of an x person and claim it for yourself putting your name as cracker or removing intros, I never did something like that. If those releases suck for you it's ok, but don't call'em recrack !!! |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 117 |
Strange discussion...
I give radar a point the so called newschool loughs
about the things done in oldstyle!
But all what ya see today grows out here!
And even harm ppl like radar for doing nothing today is really stupid for my opinion.
What is done today has nothing to do with what have
been done earlier!
Most of the newscene guys dont know the feeling going to postoffice fetching the last sendinx!
Or even the risc doing the bb or abusing something!
This are two different parts and only the legal part survives.
But now u cant come along and said he is living from things he did in the past!
First he bings much of fun to the boards due to his great attitude of ragging and second he releases tools without the scene wont grow that big or even had survived that long!
As most of the so called oldguys entered the scene it was not a public thing like it is today there u cant go to the net make a double click and get the newest stuff...
That is what had to be reminded!
This has nothing todo that i dont like new guys in the scene in no way!
I am happy bout everybody who keeps the 64 alive and i am the last who wont help if help is needed!
Ok gotta go to work :(
Honesty/Covenant/Afl´70
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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the scene hasnt died. it just evolved in a way so that it takes more to earn respect than a big mouth and licking stamps. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: A recrack is when you steal the work of an x person and claim it for yourself putting your name as cracker or removing intros, I never did something like that. If those releases suck for you it's ok, but don't call'em recrack !!!
Yup, it was rereleases, right? But you forgot to mention that what made me so upset was the fact that some of those releases were buggy. And anyway, what is a crack stripped of old intro, repacked (maybe trained) and equipped with new intro? By an old definition it is recrack, or isn't it?
I remember than one of your final arguments featured one person getting a life with his gf laving others splitting hairs over that subject. Really killing argument. By any chance I apologise for any harm I have caused. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Stop. I hope that you are talking globally here. I haven't said that Radar is incompetant. For me his competance is out of question. I said that I can follow your views and opinions. And maybe out of your direction they look right. But see it out of Radar position and it surely has nothing to do with narcissm. I am very sure that he has a professional arrogance, which is nothing wrong in my opinion as he actually knows what he was and INFACT IS DOING. Radar has only one attitude against newskoolers and thats something I always criticize myself too. Back in time people had to do things with much lower possibilities as today. Many people of today forget this and criticize old items, instead of just taking it as a good work in its own manner. I guess there is a difference between using a highly advanced tool instead of trying to have your own tools to do something. So reduce the outstunning work of several GOLDEN cracking lables to a good version, but remind yourself that they are using tools and advanced techniques based on the evolution produced by old people. So where is the point you will be asking. It is as you said.. Scene is like a wall .. Every brick builds upon another brick. So at that point there is no place for saying "Look.. I have outstunned that old Radwar version of XYZ".. Because you cracked it from disk with your cart, packed it with some cross packing tools and Radwar did it with bare hands. And sure it appears to some of you that disliking oldie cracks is the ignorance of the eternally of yesterday. But what is so hard to accept that some people still follow their codex from the past? After all this isn't so bad as you may have described it.. Because the real evolution of all other scenes following the CBM 64 was driven by C64 people with that codex. So it can't be so wrong after all.
Of course you haven't said Radar is incompetent, you have said that he doesn't need to know anything about C64 anymore beacause he has had earned his reputation in past. Maybe you have used different words but I think I got the message right.
As far as games are concerned in my previous post to rada I tried to explain why I consider doing cracks of old games valuable. I never said that old cracks were bad I just tried to explain, why the goldie cracks are valuable. There is still the target audience for these releases and those people (even when most of them are just emulator using retro-gamers) appreciate these efforts. I might not be a hardcore C64 gamer to see the point in this activity. Advanced tools don't have anything to do with it they are just tools the result is important here.
Scene is like a wall. I can agree with that.
Outruning Radwar is not my bizness. I doubt the oldie crackers are interested in that kind of fame either. They just do what they like to do, doing the best version of the game. It's their hobby, if anyone has any question he should send that question to them.
You say that "it appears to some of you that disliking oldie cracks is the ignorance of the eternally of yesterday". I haven't noticed anyone disliking old cracks. Disliking of buggy cracks is something different, but it's a problem of target group - gamers (or retro gamers). They don't seem to respect the tradition and instead of appreciating the work of those who did the firstie they are always ask for the best version. In Gamebase64 collection it's creators kept only one version of the game which was (according to them) the best. I wouldn't blame them for that. They were trying to do the ultimate collection of C64 games dedicated to gamers not sceners. I know that Mason is doing the collection of all versions of the same game, and yes, I agree that it's a very good idea. |
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sack
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You know something? I think secret man would feel much better if he tried another hobby.
Sexual intercouse perhaps?
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The Overkiller
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Quote: Yup, it was rereleases, right? But you forgot to mention that what made me so upset was the fact that some of those releases were buggy. And anyway, what is a crack stripped of old intro, repacked (maybe trained) and equipped with new intro? By an old definition it is recrack, or isn't it?
I remember than one of your final arguments featured one person getting a life with his gf laving others splitting hairs over that subject. Really killing argument. By any chance I apologise for any harm I have caused.
Stripped old intros ? Never did it! They aren't recrack anyway, maybe bad releases but no recracks.
About the last argument maybe it could splitting hairs but consider that all the discussion gone into a mess, so I simply wrote a bulls**it because all the discussion starting to annoying. And with that "probably" stupid argument I finally dropped it.
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Oxbow
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: okay, i admit that the past of our scene still s something which is important to keep in our mind. if i was an 'elite-scener' who did good cracks and earned credits for his hard work i should have a less respect for the sceners today.
but i think that the scene today is a different one than the scene 10 years ago. as already been mentioned,the 'old scene' died long time ago. the scene has changed and for some people hurts this a lot.
i respect the old crackers/supliers/golden ones/whatever a lot but if they are only talking about the old scene and are only hacking and burning newcomers they should expect that those 'newcomers' will have their word back.
radar, with all respect, but if you're only talking nothing will come from your hands! ever thought about the fact that thanks to those newcomers there still IS a scene? there are still parties and you can visit them!! ;-)
if only 'active' people would speak up,
it would be freaky empty over here!
i do have respect for skilled people from
the past and the present. And I guess
Radar is one of them. But being an 'oldie'
is not enough. The one who started this
thread could not have done more to illustrate so!
Ragging, making an argument, was truly
important in the past. Clearly, you can
still tell today who was skilled and who
was not.
Westbam ragging is like Crossbow coding!
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LocalH
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/me gets popcorn |
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Westbam
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Quote: if only 'active' people would speak up,
it would be freaky empty over here!
i do have respect for skilled people from
the past and the present. And I guess
Radar is one of them. But being an 'oldie'
is not enough. The one who started this
thread could not have done more to illustrate so!
Ragging, making an argument, was truly
important in the past. Clearly, you can
still tell today who was skilled and who
was not.
Westbam ragging is like Crossbow coding!
Respect!
Thanks Oxbow,
I entered the BBS scene when Wild Wares (XDS), Wares Castle (I+T) and Telephone Anarchy (EXC/[L]) were rolling. So I got thaught to play that game by guys like Goldfish, Gene or Excell. They need to be credited aswell I suppose...
I guess it is obvious to everyone Secret Man ain´t aware of the game he´s trying to play...
However, it doesn´t really make a difference if you´re old school or new school. The skills do matter and the contribution you made to this great computer and pirate scene...
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
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Quote: the scene hasnt died. it just evolved in a way so that it takes more to earn respect than a big mouth and licking stamps.
One of the TRUE elites here speaking true (and what counts maybe even more: original) words ...
As for most of the other posts I have just crossed: I simply don't get it. Thx for supportive words from CreaMD, Middy, TDG and ppl that feel in a similar way than I do, but why at all you waste your time here in one of the longest threads I ever touched ?
Over to the rest:
A "lack of respect" is something I actually WISH for any wannabe oldschool elite to come by on e.g. IRC. Maybe that wakes you up in some sense. Millions of old rotten cracks don't matter much to me, but I deeply bow down to e.g. the creators of the JPG Viewer.
But I could *CRACK* Toki properly aswell, without having to check into the Legend Crack --- nice you mention it, btw --- in all the time since that release, I have not found a version on which the 2nd level is working. After the first level end enemy, [L]-Toki crashes on all copies I ever came across.
(My previous poster is Westbam --- mailto: count0@c64.org the d64 or zipdisk files please :))) )
Too bad, it's really bla bla bla all the way and there is no real talking being left. Just one reason for me to abandon forums und BBS'es. There hardly is good tech-talk or really interesting things. The OMG'ish craptalk style which on their repective levels is being followed by Radar and Secret Man here simply creates an atmosphere I dislike.
So to speak, the oldschool elites (it started at SH, for those who'd like to know) made me actually go away from my roots and revise my view about the people sticking to their own.
There is nothing wrong to be proud about your (group- and personal-) past --- just write it up once in truth, add all the releases you ever did, fix the flaws you did back then, add comments, funny notes and stories, publish it.
THAT's what counts much more than your remembrance talk about some old war/game/skills. This way you may even be able to earn back the respect you think you deserve and next to that possibly allow more synergetic effects than having your raggings archived in a database.
I could add many many more things I care and worry about, but won't do. Midift already recognized my last post was longish, but it was planned that way after having had to read crackin >100 posts or so. :)
I'd just like to ask many people around to THINK about WHAT and HOW they post it.
E.g. Secret Man did himself sure no good by slapping around people with raggish slang craptalk. But you earn what you seed, right ?
Whoever dares to face me on personal talks or in a more interactive chat medium like IRC or ICQ, is free to do so. It usually turns out that whenever you switch to such a medium the harsh talk lowers a lot and people come to a reasonable and often enough constructive level.
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
PS: should I blame this post on eating 2.5 hrs of my time which was planned for RR ? Yes, I should .... :)
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drake
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oh sorry...
im not a legend nor elite
im not an oldschool scener at all and never did crack a single game!
all i know that being on a party, make part of a scene and ragging on a c64 is real fun ;-)
i never cared about any bad behaviour of any scener because someone tells me that i am a lamer or whatever. point is that midfit, radar, seret lady, count zero and scener xzy all are from an old scene. a scene newcomers never participated in. they perhaps know the names but never met those elite.
so, now you only can talk about past times and bring your old scenewars to life, okay...if thats the thing you want.
i share oxbows point of view when he says that making an argument was important in the past and it still is.
and maybe this is something i miss in todays scene.
btw: what do you oldskool-elite-scene-ppl think about the parties of today, the magazines and the software??? most of the time i only hear negative words and then followed by the magic words: 10, 15 years ago when we were in the scene...blabla...
-drake- east west asbest
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Westbam
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Count Zero:
It had always been Legend policy to check up on our wares before we released them. Every single crack had been playtested completely before it got spread. I for myself played Toki through on the Legend version (of course I had trainers turned on, wouldn´t really want to waste more time than urgently needed...).
I am sure I have this ware (the imported NTSC fixed one aswell as the PAL version) and I will try to dig it up for you asap.
I also have to add that there was one single game we had to release on a 100% basis again. This title was Sleepwalker by Ocean. This crack had been messed up by apprentice member Darklord although *I* personally told him to back his crack up and make sure it works. He thought he was some god and didn´t. Result was the level decrunch would crash after Level One. A 100% version had been released immediately courtesy of Powerplant/Legend. Darklord had been removed from Legend roster right after as he wouldn´t want to reach up to our high quality standards...
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11154 |
Quote: oh sorry...
im not a legend nor elite
im not an oldschool scener at all and never did crack a single game!
all i know that being on a party, make part of a scene and ragging on a c64 is real fun ;-)
i never cared about any bad behaviour of any scener because someone tells me that i am a lamer or whatever. point is that midfit, radar, seret lady, count zero and scener xzy all are from an old scene. a scene newcomers never participated in. they perhaps know the names but never met those elite.
so, now you only can talk about past times and bring your old scenewars to life, okay...if thats the thing you want.
i share oxbows point of view when he says that making an argument was important in the past and it still is.
and maybe this is something i miss in todays scene.
btw: what do you oldskool-elite-scene-ppl think about the parties of today, the magazines and the software??? most of the time i only hear negative words and then followed by the magic words: 10, 15 years ago when we were in the scene...blabla...
-drake- east west asbest
thing is (and now i won't make many friends along the so called oldschool elite) that most of these people probably couldnt do anything along the lines of todays quality "standards". its just easy to say that "back then" you ruled and today noone couldnt do anything because of the groundwork they layed. however even if this is partly true i doubt we wouldnt use open sideborders by now if 1001 hadnt showed us how to do it, and the same applies to any other topic along these tech issues.
bla, this whole discussion is just ridiculous, and nowhere as funny as the good old board ragging (mostly due to the fact that no clueless pricks would have access to the bbs at all).
and whoever wishes to muck about that what i said in my first sentence is not true => release a decent c64 related production, or *get lost*. noone carez about how much you rule in xbox (or whatever else) scene these days, atleast not here.
and 1337 emule skills are almost as interisting as your 1337 stamp licking skills from the past.
bah. just amazing how ppl suddenly pop up from nowhere just to show how little they managed to realise that the world changed and make a fool out of themselves. just imagine someone from the pdp9 scene had popped up in the 80s just to tell you how pathetic your childish game hacking is, and that you could only do it because of them doing all the hard punchcard work in the 70s. you laugh? yes indeed. |
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midfit
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Well Groepaz. And I guess now we won't make friends. I accept and realize your opinion. But I think it isn't that easy. I presume you used your arguments to provocate a reply. In my eyes you are falling into the same pit like some others before in this thread. If you say that the "socalled" oldskool sceners couldn't manage to release something according to nowadays quality standards, you are placing up assumptions that these people are inactive or sharing their time at what ppl like Secret Man are big at (Emule)! Or that you are the only one who knows about nowadays quality standards. We heard about evolution and we heard that times are changing. Don't you think that there are several of these dudes who actually realized that long before? |
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drake
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would i add the following:
there is no 'real scene' anymore or there must be something new to add to this scene what bring some spirit in it as there is nothing to crack or whatever to get credits or to deserve some respect....
maybe you all reached your highest point and thats the fact you have to live with that. other ppl (newcomers) will take your place and will be the coders/graphicians or musicians from tomorrow. its nice to know that the retro-feeling is back.. 80's are a 'hot' item now ;-)
btw: as i stated before, im not ragging on oldskool neither newcomers jsut because i pay a big respect for the old guys who made the scene big. i have a respect for everybody who love this great 8bit machine.
i don't tell this to make friends, groupaz. sure as hell there are ppl i don't like in this scene.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Well Groepaz. And I guess now we won't make friends. I accept and realize your opinion. But I think it isn't that easy. I presume you used your arguments to provocate a reply. In my eyes you are falling into the same pit like some others before in this thread. If you say that the "socalled" oldskool sceners couldn't manage to release something according to nowadays quality standards, you are placing up assumptions that these people are inactive or sharing their time at what ppl like Secret Man are big at (Emule)! Or that you are the only one who knows about nowadays quality standards. We heard about evolution and we heard that times are changing. Don't you think that there are several of these dudes who actually realized that long before?
1) i'm not assuming anything, all i am saying is that noone here carez about what you or anyone else is up to in the pc/ps2/xbox/idontknowwhat scene since it doesnt matter here. and yes, no matter how many firstreleases your group had in the pc/ps2/xbox/blabla scene lately, you have still been inactive in terms of c64. and saying that, i am not disregarding the work in other scenes at all (after all, i mostly fall into that cathegory myself, doing little c64 work these days and beeing active on console mostly - still this isnt the place to muck about it)
2) i am for sure not setting todays quality standards, nor am i the only one who knows them. grab a few of the recently released demos and see yourself (those from the top10 here should do the job quite well). and well, i am not really talking about quality standards concerning cracks and all - we are probably mostly sharing the same opinion in that context. since there is no more firstrelease scene anymore, no time pressure and all, its just natural that quality increases
3) webforum is for weenies, go do sth on c64 :) |
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drake
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4) 8-) |
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chatGPZ
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Quote: would i add the following:
there is no 'real scene' anymore or there must be something new to add to this scene what bring some spirit in it as there is nothing to crack or whatever to get credits or to deserve some respect....
maybe you all reached your highest point and thats the fact you have to live with that. other ppl (newcomers) will take your place and will be the coders/graphicians or musicians from tomorrow. its nice to know that the retro-feeling is back.. 80's are a 'hot' item now ;-)
btw: as i stated before, im not ragging on oldskool neither newcomers jsut because i pay a big respect for the old guys who made the scene big. i have a respect for everybody who love this great 8bit machine.
i don't tell this to make friends, groupaz. sure as hell there are ppl i don't like in this scene.
as for the lack of a "real scene" - yes indeed, there is no more way of earning respect in a short timescale (by releasing some cracks as fast as possible). but for sure as hell there are still other ways to gain respect, but all of them require skills that many of the old guys dont have (i am not saying they dont have skills, but they have *other* skills which wont help them much today).
and as for making friends...eh :) there are for sure better ways than posting on a webforum. and i'm not a friend of all that newschool "we are family" crap either. no wonder everyone and his dog thinks he's elite these days :=P |
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Street Tuff
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hi!
there is just one good thing about this thread.
old sceeners like westbam pop up out of nowhere and tell
their story about the past.
westbam didn't rag neither he insulted anyone. he just
told his point of view *respect*
westbam: i hope you're still in contact with tyree. had
lot's of fun with you and him on the party's in the past.
p.s.
this topic is absolute rubbish. if you know c0untz3r0 personally you know why you should pay respect to him. he is still a good friend and nothing will change that.
one point that i didn't get is why old groupmates pop up
out of nowhere aswell and start a ragwar like in the past
on the boards or on SH.
secret man: just calm down. don't insult people.
all of us advanced in our knowledge and personality.
there could be a much higher level of conversation in another thread on this forum.
like what actually was in the past?
what did you liked/disliked in releases of group xyz?
what have been the most inovative demo/intro effects of group xyz? and so on ....
sincerly
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drake
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well, as far as it does matter at all, i suggest we plan a dating csdb for those who want to amke friends in the scene.
serious now, im looking forward to some parties to watch if there are some cool demos or fresh ideas. im still waiting for those who can explain me something about how to pack and crunch files and multi-files. packing is something everyone can do...but which packer/cruncher you can use best for what prg? that kind of questions.
thats only an example and there are still more questions which are usefull for newbees and sceners. tips and tricks ;-) share your vision and knowledge!!
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Westbam
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Street Tuff:
Actually I haven´t heard from Tyree in years. Last thing I heard from him along time ago was that he was in jail (once again)... Kind of sad that he cannot get his life in shape... He was a nice guy although he could also be considered weird sometimes...
I have to agree on that Count Zero definately distributed to the Commodore 64 scene. Although I don´t agree on his threat on how he compares people cracking Toki more than 10 years after Legend. We were the first to deprotect these cartridge games. If it was so damn easy back then I wonder why nobody beat us to these cartrdige games back then. It is a fact that we released *ALL* Ocean cartridges first, so there´s no point. However, he sure was a good cracker and he knows what he is talking about so I we can have a serious discussion...
Secret Man didn´t so I don´t see the point why this loser pops out of nowhere attacking everybody and his brother with his lame insults. Total hummiliation has to be the only solution in my eyes...
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midfit
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Quote: 1) i'm not assuming anything, all i am saying is that noone here carez about what you or anyone else is up to in the pc/ps2/xbox/idontknowwhat scene since it doesnt matter here. and yes, no matter how many firstreleases your group had in the pc/ps2/xbox/blabla scene lately, you have still been inactive in terms of c64. and saying that, i am not disregarding the work in other scenes at all (after all, i mostly fall into that cathegory myself, doing little c64 work these days and beeing active on console mostly - still this isnt the place to muck about it)
2) i am for sure not setting todays quality standards, nor am i the only one who knows them. grab a few of the recently released demos and see yourself (those from the top10 here should do the job quite well). and well, i am not really talking about quality standards concerning cracks and all - we are probably mostly sharing the same opinion in that context. since there is no more firstrelease scene anymore, no time pressure and all, its just natural that quality increases
3) webforum is for weenies, go do sth on c64 :)
1.) Exactly, it is not the place to muck about it. Besides that nobody with the exception of that certain Emule user would do this. But if you talking about meeting quality standards, I thought you meant this in general. However I am very sure if some of the people not being active on the C64 anymore, would choose to be so, they actually could meet these quality standards. While for me it isn't even worth the effort.
2.) Infact we do share the same opinion about this topic.
3.) Hehe. I thank you for trying to motivate me to do so, but I closed that folder several years ago.
@Street Tuff: You wonder? I will tell you why. Remember the Evoke? They simply haven't got the interest in nice chats, preserving a bit of the old atmosphere and hanging around like we did on that party last year. They rather prefer to boast their ego with counting imaginary first releases they never had. Sad it is.. |
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Radar
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Just for the crowd, I implemented the Legend-Version of Toki and Sleepwalker in this database. So everybody can check on his own if those work or not.
And just to clear one thing out: This thread started due to Skinhead's/Secret Man's question for pictures of 'Fat Count Zero'. I don't like a lamer from the past starting a thread about a person who he doesn't even know and besides that do I consider this the first insult made on here. Also I know Count Zero from the old past. Has nothing to do with the fact, that I dont agree on his opinions sometimes, but for the respect and loyality towards him it's obvious that I stood up for him in this case. I simply don't like that way and I'm positive that he would do the same for others when it turns out to be such a thing.
Then Steppe got attacked for just making a little joke and also he got my help (guess he doesn't need, but anyhow). So ain't this enough examples that I judge between different person? Steppe for example didn't react that childish way CremieD did (I don't care what you dictionary says, if you would have been on any c64-boards in the past, you would know this game).
Still waiting for the 'real' cracks from today...
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CreaMD
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Quote: Just for the crowd, I implemented the Legend-Version of Toki and Sleepwalker in this database. So everybody can check on his own if those work or not.
And just to clear one thing out: This thread started due to Skinhead's/Secret Man's question for pictures of 'Fat Count Zero'. I don't like a lamer from the past starting a thread about a person who he doesn't even know and besides that do I consider this the first insult made on here. Also I know Count Zero from the old past. Has nothing to do with the fact, that I dont agree on his opinions sometimes, but for the respect and loyality towards him it's obvious that I stood up for him in this case. I simply don't like that way and I'm positive that he would do the same for others when it turns out to be such a thing.
Then Steppe got attacked for just making a little joke and also he got my help (guess he doesn't need, but anyhow). So ain't this enough examples that I judge between different person? Steppe for example didn't react that childish way CremieD did (I don't care what you dictionary says, if you would have been on any c64-boards in the past, you would know this game).
Still waiting for the 'real' cracks from today...
So you want to teach me games Radumb? Do you really believe that when I haven't been on the right place in the right time (the place where Radkid was growing up into Radadolescent) makes my ragging skills (?) lower than yours. Do you really think that not being *there* before 1990 makes me gullible board mofo? Scrambling one's nick, how !original. So you think noone notices that you deliberately ignore all my points? That's what you have learned in boards? Moving to nick scrambling? Oh please, wake up. It's 2004, and maybe I haven't even left scene yet, but I have been in it for long enough to learn how to sweep off the futile verbal attempts of indifferent ignorants. "Scene dead". "Newcomers bad". "I elite". Yeah yeah, so you have been there you must know everything better. Radar, aren't you a little bit naive?
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Radar
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Quote: So you want to teach me games Radumb? Do you really believe that when I haven't been on the right place in the right time (the place where Radkid was growing up into Radadolescent) makes my ragging skills (?) lower than yours. Do you really think that not being *there* before 1990 makes me gullible board mofo? Scrambling one's nick, how !original. So you think noone notices that you deliberately ignore all my points? That's what you have learned in boards? Moving to nick scrambling? Oh please, wake up. It's 2004, and maybe I haven't even left scene yet, but I have been in it for long enough to learn how to sweep off the futile verbal attempts of indifferent ignorants. "Scene dead". "Newcomers bad". "I elite". Yeah yeah, so you have been there you must know everything better. Radar, aren't you a little bit naive?
You stupid little fool, don't you want get the point or what else is your problem?
Just like Shithead/Secret Lady, you don't want to understand certain facts and always post some silly shit which doesn't make sense at all. React on the posts AFTER you read and understood them, not BEFORE your brain 'emulated' some rubbish crap.
First of all, I don't like the way you try to manipulate on here. When you tried to 'explain' one of the last posts from Midfit to us, you tried to push him in a corner where he doesn't belong to and laid wrong words into his mouth. Midfit reacted correct and wrote that he never accused me for anything, but you wanted to read and understand it that way you wanted to. This time you once again didn't understand what my personal meaning of loyality is. I stand up for old and new sceners, BUT I never stood and will never stand behind fools like you. I don't like the way you push your nose into things you don't know about.
Secondly, you can't judge about the scene in which people like Westbam, I and even Skinhead/Secret Lady have been in. You judge by knowing nothing about it and at the same time you want to get respected by oldskoolers. It doesn't work that way. What the fuck should I respect you for then? Being a retired loser? If it's THAT what you want, you won the race already (and easily).
The third point is quite simple to understand, even for you: Arrogant people like you are the reason why there is this grave between the old- and newskool on C64. People like YOU (and especially YOU) want it the way they believe it works and worked, BUT a straight fact is, that it doesn't.
When you start complaining about 'bad and shitty versions of releases' and all you can see is that the old groups were unable to do decent versions of the games, you have to notice atleast two points which have to fit into your judgement:
1. We had other circumstances at that time (especially hardware, time-pressure, scene-pressure)
2. Those games might not fit to your emulator.
Think about it, as you just make another Secret Lady out of yourself: Posting crap without reading previous threads. Come up with facts or keep you mouth shut.
Btw, you think I want to teach you a 'game'? Well, in case you don't know it: You're already into it!
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Anthrax
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CreaMD:
Man, this might be pretty hard for you, but yes, the C64 is dead. It died ages ago. Luckily there are still some people that put a lot of effort into this machine. I have respect for these people, but they weren´t part of the true 64 pirate scene.
People like Westbam, Radar or Count Zero were (although I didn´t get along with Radar/Count Zero back then) and they contributed to the scene back then.
As I said, I have respect for all these people still putting so much more effort on the C64 put it is also clear that this is dead ground...
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: You stupid little fool, don't you want get the point or what else is your problem?
Just like Shithead/Secret Lady, you don't want to understand certain facts and always post some silly shit which doesn't make sense at all. React on the posts AFTER you read and understood them, not BEFORE your brain 'emulated' some rubbish crap.
First of all, I don't like the way you try to manipulate on here. When you tried to 'explain' one of the last posts from Midfit to us, you tried to push him in a corner where he doesn't belong to and laid wrong words into his mouth. Midfit reacted correct and wrote that he never accused me for anything, but you wanted to read and understand it that way you wanted to. This time you once again didn't understand what my personal meaning of loyality is. I stand up for old and new sceners, BUT I never stood and will never stand behind fools like you. I don't like the way you push your nose into things you don't know about.
Secondly, you can't judge about the scene in which people like Westbam, I and even Skinhead/Secret Lady have been in. You judge by knowing nothing about it and at the same time you want to get respected by oldskoolers. It doesn't work that way. What the fuck should I respect you for then? Being a retired loser? If it's THAT what you want, you won the race already (and easily).
The third point is quite simple to understand, even for you: Arrogant people like you are the reason why there is this grave between the old- and newskool on C64. People like YOU (and especially YOU) want it the way they believe it works and worked, BUT a straight fact is, that it doesn't.
When you start complaining about 'bad and shitty versions of releases' and all you can see is that the old groups were unable to do decent versions of the games, you have to notice atleast two points which have to fit into your judgement:
1. We had other circumstances at that time (especially hardware, time-pressure, scene-pressure)
2. Those games might not fit to your emulator.
Think about it, as you just make another Secret Lady out of yourself: Posting crap without reading previous threads. Come up with facts or keep you mouth shut.
Btw, you think I want to teach you a 'game'? Well, in case you don't know it: You're already into it!
[X] Radar/Arcade
DI think I'm wasting too much time with you. So I'll keep it short.
* My posts have sense, so keep that shit in your mouth please.
* Midfit is pushed into corner by your silly behaviour, not my as you put it "manipulation". He had given me a lot of doubting questions to make my hars words milder. Like how do I know?. But I don't need to answer, he must have noticed already that:
a) you are a zombie and want to eat my brain out ;-)
b) you won't get active in any way just big mouth talker
c) that you don't get what I say while he "I can follow your view and opinions" ;-))
d) your love for C64 (as he tried to suggest) has not yet been proven in any of your posts. You just keep trying boost your ego.
As far as your loyalty towards fools like me is concerned. I never asked for your loyalty, I tried to help you to get a clue about few things.. I failed ;-). And by the way you were first to push your nose into things you didn't know about!
Westbam behaves far more decent than you. From few posts he had posted I see he is far more modest than you will ever be. Secret Man is fool (if it's really him who is writing those posts).
Patronising me about how to get a respect while doing as much as possible to lose it? I don't need to ask for respect from anyone, people respect me on voluntarily basis.
That pargraph about arogance is daemagogic. As I've already said, you don't have clue, and that paragraph proves it. Again.
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FOR THE VERY FINAL LAST TIME:
No I don't complain about "old 'bad and shitty versions of releases". I HAVE NEVER! And I never WILL!
What I did was explaining why new releases by Nostalgia, Remembers have value for todays C64 users.
I hope you will now finally get it. If not plase contact Jack Alien, GRG or anyone who is making those releases and please spare me of your ignoracy and especially of that silly wannabe humorous emulator thing. I have and use a real C64 (more of them actually). Do you?
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Okay so I think about all this (as you have suggested, thanx) and I came to this conclusion. If you need to understand anything ask Midfit (or anyone who is currently not your board enemy) in PM. Someone will maybe tell you what I'm talking about. As it seems, you don't read very carefuly and I really don't have time to reiterate everything all the time.
That final point about me being into a teaching process is especially humorous, but I really don't want to pour oil into the fire.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: CreaMD:
Man, this might be pretty hard for you, but yes, the C64 is dead. It died ages ago. Luckily there are still some people that put a lot of effort into this machine. I have respect for these people, but they weren´t part of the true 64 pirate scene.
People like Westbam, Radar or Count Zero were (although I didn´t get along with Radar/Count Zero back then) and they contributed to the scene back then.
As I said, I have respect for all these people still putting so much more effort on the C64 put it is also clear that this is dead ground...
Anthrax / Legend
Anthrax, that's okay. I don't expect much from the todays C64 scene. Ask anyone who knows me ;-). As far as pirate-scene is concerned, that was sometimes problem between me and few ppl (I won't name them, they know who they are), but I think we had solved our contradctions in a friendly way.
Yes I recognise those ppl.
I think I have right to qualifiedly evaulate the deadness of this ground and yes, from a point of view of a pirate scene it is almost dead, but general scene and demoscene are far from dead. I suppose it will last few more years until the rest of the active sceners will realise what ex-sceners already "know" ;-) That it's "much more rewarding" to waste time on other hobbies than with C64.
Many ex-sceners come and say. C64 is dead. But how much dead it actually is? Nobody asks, what's new? Tell me what's happening? Nobody seem to be interested. But why should someone who has quit (even sold maybe) the C64 10 or more years ago want to return to this commercially dead ground. Why should anyone who isn't using C64 anymore care about Metal Warrior 4, released last year, which very probably, was one of the best games of it's type releasd on C64. In fact, that wasn't the only cool game previewed or released in 2003. Scene is dead, and old groups Fairlight and Triad still kicks ass and produce demos (maybe they will release on Floppy 2004 too? who knows, noonne forces them to do anything). Scene is dead, but there are at least as much C64 scene parties as in past and even the biggest parties still support or return to support of old machines scene. It's hard to mention all things which negate the theory that C64 isn't completely dead yet, but what is it good for. I'm not a preacher, I just mentioned some facts. For me C64 isn't the biggest part of my life anymore so I can understand to people who don't find new stuff interesting. Sometimes I have problems with that too. C64 scene still has to learn how to attract general audience better, but that's not on me to solve. |
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Radar
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CremieD, somehow it seems to be impossible for you to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT anybody else his opinion, isn't it?
Besides that you didn't realy answer to just one sentence I did post, you once again try to pull Midfit into this arguments and once again you swap words just the way you want to.
For one time, you fight your ass off for this 'living scene' and tell me how great it is. You were riding on the theorie I should be active (again) and 'learn' the scene to know about it. What kind of dream is that? I'm done with my active time BUT I still could easily crack a game. I just don't want to, as I'm finished with that. FACT! On the other hand, you just told Anthrax that this scene is dying... You must be real braindead my friend. I've nothing against those great demo-coders from nowadays and I think that this is the only way to keep some work done on a C64, but the scene wasn't based on demos only when we (oldskoolers) were active. But how could you know... You haven't been there but shitting in your pants when the elite was rocking.
ALSO I didn't write that people like Jack Alien do/did bad jobs when re-releasing the old games. No, I believe that he has great skills and I know him personally, too. The quality might be good, no doubt, but what is the sense of it? Just to delete the old wares and get ridd of them? When I look at those C64-related FTP-sites, I see versions from Nostalgiy, Remember and so on. BUT did anybody think about the fact, that the real and old stuff and so the history of the scene is getting erased and manipulated? When I want to see a game, I want to see an intro from Legend, Beasties, ESI, INC and so on. THAT is our history and THAT is our scene. Go and understand that. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: CremieD, somehow it seems to be impossible for you to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT anybody else his opinion, isn't it?
Besides that you didn't realy answer to just one sentence I did post, you once again try to pull Midfit into this arguments and once again you swap words just the way you want to.
For one time, you fight your ass off for this 'living scene' and tell me how great it is. You were riding on the theorie I should be active (again) and 'learn' the scene to know about it. What kind of dream is that? I'm done with my active time BUT I still could easily crack a game. I just don't want to, as I'm finished with that. FACT! On the other hand, you just told Anthrax that this scene is dying... You must be real braindead my friend. I've nothing against those great demo-coders from nowadays and I think that this is the only way to keep some work done on a C64, but the scene wasn't based on demos only when we (oldskoolers) were active. But how could you know... You haven't been there but shitting in your pants when the elite was rocking.
ALSO I didn't write that people like Jack Alien do/did bad jobs when re-releasing the old games. No, I believe that he has great skills and I know him personally, too. The quality might be good, no doubt, but what is the sense of it? Just to delete the old wares and get ridd of them? When I look at those C64-related FTP-sites, I see versions from Nostalgiy, Remember and so on. BUT did anybody think about the fact, that the real and old stuff and so the history of the scene is getting erased and manipulated? When I want to see a game, I want to see an intro from Legend, Beasties, ESI, INC and so on. THAT is our history and THAT is our scene. Go and understand that.
We dont need this lame Legend intros and noone wants this shit.Every remember intro is better as an lame Arcade or lame Legend Intros.Jack Alien showed us,that most of the cracks were bullshit.
Radork,go back to your farm and your piggery.Idiot
Secret Man <-----Hartmuts prophet
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Radar
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Quote: We dont need this lame Legend intros and noone wants this shit.Every remember intro is better as an lame Arcade or lame Legend Intros.Jack Alien showed us,that most of the cracks were bullshit.
Radork,go back to your farm and your piggery.Idiot
Secret Man <-----Hartmuts prophet
Jochen, sure you DO need those intros. Where else could you rip and steal then when not at our old stuff?
And (quote) 'Jack Alien showed us that most of the cracks were bullshit' (end of quote)? Hm, cant await to hear what he thinks about this insult. You know, he doesn't realy like you at all.
Jochen... Jockel... piece of shit... fucking junkee and traitor... (can't decide how to call you), you wish that you would have had the chance to be in a group like Legend or Arcade, but actually nobody wanted such a poor creep in it's group and nobod wanted you to play with the elites. Instead of ripping, stealing and re-cracking you should have stood at your fathers house for more spanking-action. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: CremieD, somehow it seems to be impossible for you to UNDERSTAND and ACCEPT anybody else his opinion, isn't it?
Besides that you didn't realy answer to just one sentence I did post, you once again try to pull Midfit into this arguments and once again you swap words just the way you want to.
For one time, you fight your ass off for this 'living scene' and tell me how great it is. You were riding on the theorie I should be active (again) and 'learn' the scene to know about it. What kind of dream is that? I'm done with my active time BUT I still could easily crack a game. I just don't want to, as I'm finished with that. FACT! On the other hand, you just told Anthrax that this scene is dying... You must be real braindead my friend. I've nothing against those great demo-coders from nowadays and I think that this is the only way to keep some work done on a C64, but the scene wasn't based on demos only when we (oldskoolers) were active. But how could you know... You haven't been there but shitting in your pants when the elite was rocking.
ALSO I didn't write that people like Jack Alien do/did bad jobs when re-releasing the old games. No, I believe that he has great skills and I know him personally, too. The quality might be good, no doubt, but what is the sense of it? Just to delete the old wares and get ridd of them? When I look at those C64-related FTP-sites, I see versions from Nostalgiy, Remember and so on. BUT did anybody think about the fact, that the real and old stuff and so the history of the scene is getting erased and manipulated? When I want to see a game, I want to see an intro from Legend, Beasties, ESI, INC and so on. THAT is our history and THAT is our scene. Go and understand that.
So you slipped back to your pathetic nametwisting Radumb? Anyway, stubborn is the word.
I read your messages carefuly and your messages vere understood very well dear mister. Your messages vere appreciated and answered azbest as posiible.
No I quoted him this time and the rest were answers to his questions.
The first big paragraph:
- Thanx god you finally read what I wrote.
- You are finished. Ok accepted ;-).
- Scene dying? yeah.. scene is dying since a long time ago.
- Calling me braindead? Or how low can Radumb go...
- "When the elite was rocking" I was using completely different machines (first ever computer I had used was PMD-85, it used 8080 processor). Since 1986 I used various computers SPECCY clones, ATARI 8 bits. My first own computer was C64 and I got in 1992 when I was 15 years old. I got hooked. As far as shitting is concerned I don't remember the exact date, but I suppose I stopped shitting into my pants sometimes around 1976. I hope you had good childhood as it seem you have some obsessions for shit in your communication.
The second big paragraph
- Finally we are getting into a meaningful debate.
- As I've suggested ebfore, please send your questions concerning your doubts to Jack Alien, I'm sure he will be able to answer all your questions.
- History erased and manipulated? By whom exactly? ;-) Anyway there is this scene database where people put all they remember about their past. As far as your request for archiving of old versions is concerned, contact Mason (Bamboo on #c-64) he is running project of archiving of all versions of games and appreciates help.
- About intros. I agree with you. I also would appreciate archive of complete games or just these intros and texts, that might be very valuable from historical point of view.
- That is our history and our scene. Yeah OUR! Not your or mine but our. Cool. I can understand this perfectly.
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Who is this jochen? Is that your 15 years old boyfriend?
Wheres my friend Count Zero? I remember some games which were cracked by radork and i must say that these were really bad cracks.Radork should take some lessons by Count Zero,i think that he is a good teacher.
Secret Man / Ex Red Sector / Ex Caladan / Ex Alphaflight
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Westbam
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Secret Man :
So Jack Alien "showed" you ?!? Now we´ve come to the level that you admit your inferiority on your own, are we ???
You should propably think back a couple of years when it was *YOU* for example that spread the word that you want to beat Legend´s suppliers to releases.. It was *YOU* to state that it would be great for you to beat Legend - the will of god....
Now how come that groups like Legend, I+T, Illusion, Censor Design, Action, Arcade and many other groups were that lousy according to your threat but dominated your childhood and made you eagerly trying to be better then them ???
You are such a stupid loser man, you cannot come up with one single threat that makes sense in any way...
And do I have to mention that your english is still horrible ???
- No, I don´t -
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Westbam
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CreaMD:
I personally think that it is rather hard to compare the "old scene" with the scene nowadays, or in the last few years. Scene back then was dominated by an entirley different point of view than it is nowadays.
The major difference is that there is no financial potential in this machine anymore but there are some people that still keep this machine alive "somehow" in order to make it something special among the whole computer business. This is great and I deeply respect the people and their efforts. We grew up with this machine and I´d rather see the C64 alive in 50 years than just having this big part of our childhood fading away...
But as I stated, the point of view is entirely different and there is no way to turn back time. Just take a look at different threats comparing new crack versions to the ones from the past. Or demos from nowadays to the past. These comparissons are that entirely stupid, it´s not even funny anymore... Or what you ever get the idea to compare a brandnew Mercedes Benz to a model built in 1928?!?
Nope, you won´t because it is impossible...
And, I don´t intend to attack you nor your opinion, I just tried to give you a point of view from someone that touched his first computer when he was 8 and grew up with these machines. And I do think I am able to judge the past 25 years in computer history as it was my hobby and it is my job now. So it is big part of my life and you won´t find many people that loved and still love this machine that much as I do...
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: Secret Man :
So Jack Alien "showed" you ?!? Now we´ve come to the level that you admit your inferiority on your own, are we ???
You should propably think back a couple of years when it was *YOU* for example that spread the word that you want to beat Legend´s suppliers to releases.. It was *YOU* to state that it would be great for you to beat Legend - the will of god....
Now how come that groups like Legend, I+T, Illusion, Censor Design, Action, Arcade and many other groups were that lousy according to your threat but dominated your childhood and made you eagerly trying to be better then them ???
You are such a stupid loser man, you cannot come up with one single threat that makes sense in any way...
And do I have to mention that your english is still horrible ???
- No, I don´t -
Westbam / Legend
Seems so,that this little Westlame is angry.hahaha
I remember,that Legend had good crackers ,but i remember some dudes of Legend never did something for this group.
Look at Westlame.He had never cracked one of this games.He was an paymember for this group.
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Westbam
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Quote: Seems so,that this little Westlame is angry.hahaha
I remember,that Legend had good crackers ,but i remember some dudes of Legend never did something for this group.
Look at Westlame.He had never cracked one of this games.He was an paymember for this group.
Secret Man <----- Germanys Elite
You´re mixing things up again my dear friend, it´s more like that you´d have blown your daddys penis for just living up the same street I did...
Oh btw., it´s "these" games... and "a" paymember "to" this group... Not to mention the phrase "original provided by Westbam" in numerous scroll tags within Legend intros...
But then, you cannot read, I forgot...
Westbam / Legend
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: You´re mixing things up again my dear friend, it´s more like that you´d have blown your daddys penis for just living up the same street I did...
Oh btw., it´s "these" games... and "a" paymember "to" this group... Not to mention the phrase "original provided by Westbam" in numerous scroll tags within Legend intros...
But then, you cannot read, I forgot...
Westbam / Legend
You payed all these games ?? It seems so,that this was a nice job for you.Westlame was not able to do other jobs.
If you want to pay another games for your pc group i would give you a really good job in one of my firms.
i bet you will need the money.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Westbam:
Why would it be impossible to compare today's demos to old demos? Sure, the style may have changed but in the end it's all about the pleasure you get from watching one, and to me the time a demo was released *may* have some influence (nostalgic reasons) but it's most certainly not the only factor. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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ha!
- no c64
- no penis
- no clue
you are all freakin' jealous
EOT
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Puterman
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EOT? Dream on... :-) |
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Radar
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Quote: You payed all these games ?? It seems so,that this was a nice job for you.Westlame was not able to do other jobs.
If you want to pay another games for your pc group i would give you a really good job in one of my firms.
i bet you will need the money.
Secret Man <--------Westlame works for HIM
Secret Lady, the part of spending money has been done by people like you. Do you remember? That was the reason you were allowed to join Hysteric... And that group was LAAAAAAME and still you even had to pay for being member of that group. No doesn't that make you thinking? It should...
@CremieD
You have to differ between the old and new scene, it can't work in other ways. The scene we, the old people, have been part of, was totally different. We had other aims than the people from today.
Do you remember the arguments between Gene and Legend on STN? Sure you do... Do you remember the war between certain people and DOM on Forum & MC? Sure you do... So as you have been part of the old scene, let me know the point of those arguments and you'll see why we have to differ between 'old' and 'new' scene. If you would push your arrogant way into the closet, you could understand the way WE worked and how people like YOU work nowadays.
I do remember the times when I was transfering games from Beastie Boys to Image/RFO with 300 bd and how I had to fight to atleast get a punter-line in the middle of the night in order to make sure that TWG won't release the wares first. I do remember those conferences with By-Thor and Mitch, Shark and MK and when we discussed about the wares-scene. I do remember the times when the wares were rolling and the other groups still were fast.
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The Overkiller
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Surely in the past there was a great competition between the cracking groups, first of all the goal of first releasing. Nowadays there isn't that aim. Most of the actual cracking groups release for fun, I don't feel the competition between them. I usually keep myself in contact with other groups like Remember and Onslaught Antiques to exchange infos about the next releases and opinions and I often sent as "first view" some releases done by Mr. Fox, Ian Coog or TCE (the actual crackers of my group) to a member of Onslaught Antiques for example. It's difficult to say if it's better now or in the past, the times are changed, there's a hard lack of fresh titles, so the taste of competition has fallen. |
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midfit
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@CreaMD: You are drifting away into the same harsh mentality you criticize here. Please do me two favours if you mention my name in your contributions. First of all don't try to fill up my words with assumptions what I could have said about people I personally know and respect. Respect a lot, to be more precise. Second is that I don't like to be drawn into differences you are having with other people I am not participating in. I guess that's fair enuff and wouldn't break serrates in your crown.
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CreaMD
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Quote: Secret Lady, the part of spending money has been done by people like you. Do you remember? That was the reason you were allowed to join Hysteric... And that group was LAAAAAAME and still you even had to pay for being member of that group. No doesn't that make you thinking? It should...
@CremieD
You have to differ between the old and new scene, it can't work in other ways. The scene we, the old people, have been part of, was totally different. We had other aims than the people from today.
Do you remember the arguments between Gene and Legend on STN? Sure you do... Do you remember the war between certain people and DOM on Forum & MC? Sure you do... So as you have been part of the old scene, let me know the point of those arguments and you'll see why we have to differ between 'old' and 'new' scene. If you would push your arrogant way into the closet, you could understand the way WE worked and how people like YOU work nowadays.
I do remember the times when I was transfering games from Beastie Boys to Image/RFO with 300 bd and how I had to fight to atleast get a punter-line in the middle of the night in order to make sure that TWG won't release the wares first. I do remember those conferences with By-Thor and Mitch, Shark and MK and when we discussed about the wares-scene. I do remember the times when the wares were rolling and the other groups still were fast.
And that has been a completly different think of what people do today.
Midfit: I mean this very sincerely and by no means offensively. All you were doing in all your past posts were backing up Radar. You did ask me questions which Radar should have asked me. No offense but I call that either baby sitting or ass-licking. Select what suits you better. I was alone (except of TDJ backing me up, thanx)
while you were two. Radar was just hiding while you were shooting your doubts at me and Radar shooting his insults from cover.
Radar, sorry I'll be short I really don't have to waste any more time with this..
Nametwisting is pathetic, when will you grow of that? Me not oldcomer, me "only" 11 years active in the scene.. I'm 100% sure I know more sceners than you (even personally I suppose) and I'm already grown up enough not to rate anything I did, won, achieved, first-produced too much. What is the fame anyway? Who is the part of history and who is the part of his-story. It's easier to answer than you would expect. Being a part of history doesn't mean you will ever need to persuade anyone about your deeds, people won't forget you. You have nice recollections, but they are your-story. Some of them are maybe part of history, but not all of them, try to recognise what is important for history. And all that comparing of WE and YOU, and BACK THEN and NOW... I really don't want to react on that, that is not constructive, especially not from your side.
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Westbam
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Quote: Westbam:
Why would it be impossible to compare today's demos to old demos? Sure, the style may have changed but in the end it's all about the pleasure you get from watching one, and to me the time a demo was released *may* have some influence (nostalgic reasons) but it's most certainly not the only factor.
Pretty simple. Nowadays C64 demo are way better. The experiences programmers do have about the machine are way larger than it used to be (simple reason : they spent 10 more years on the machine in how to get the least possible done).. And this is also among the entire scene. It is in human beings nature to drive development as far as possible.
If this wouldn´t be the case, we´d still live in wsmall wodden houses without electricity and wouldn´t wear shoes.... Hmmm, that somehow describes Secret Man´s present situation aswell I notice!
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midfit
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@CreaMD: Should I laugh or cry? Anything you prefer? Come on.. Whenever I say something I truely don't do this to back up any person within this thread. People who know me, know that this is an unwritten fact. You don't seem to know me, therefore I excuse your little derailing. For whatever purposes it should have served for you. Notice that I am expressing my opinion to the things. I said a slight part to the issue, nothing more. What you called that is a clear sign of disrespect for my person. If you accuse me of asslicking somebody or backing him up (I've doubts that this person needs any backup), I accuse you of trying to drag me into your personal rag war. Try to base your arguments neither on twisting my statements, nor on using them to underline your arguments if they simply don't fit there. Thats what I asked you for. You don't seem to respect that. I feel sorry for that. The part about where I should have asked questions Radar put up is appearing ridiculous for me and are no basement to discuss any further issues with you until you brought up the respect adults show. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: CreaMD:
I personally think that it is rather hard to compare the "old scene" with the scene nowadays, or in the last few years. Scene back then was dominated by an entirley different point of view than it is nowadays.
The major difference is that there is no financial potential in this machine anymore but there are some people that still keep this machine alive "somehow" in order to make it something special among the whole computer business. This is great and I deeply respect the people and their efforts. We grew up with this machine and I´d rather see the C64 alive in 50 years than just having this big part of our childhood fading away...
But as I stated, the point of view is entirely different and there is no way to turn back time. Just take a look at different threats comparing new crack versions to the ones from the past. Or demos from nowadays to the past. These comparissons are that entirely stupid, it´s not even funny anymore... Or what you ever get the idea to compare a brandnew Mercedes Benz to a model built in 1928?!?
Nope, you won´t because it is impossible...
And, I don´t intend to attack you nor your opinion, I just tried to give you a point of view from someone that touched his first computer when he was 8 and grew up with these machines. And I do think I am able to judge the past 25 years in computer history as it was my hobby and it is my job now. So it is big part of my life and you won´t find many people that loved and still love this machine that much as I do...
Yours, Westbam / Legend
I think I didn't compare. I just pointed out that C64 might look dead from one perspective, and still be alive from another.
"Financial potential.."
Agreed.
"Comparsions that are entirely stupid..., not even funny..."
Agreed. But *I* didn't compare, did I?
"And, I don´t intend to attack you nor your opinion, I just tried to give you a point of view from someone that touched his first computer ... ...So it is big part of my life and you won´t find many people that loved and still love this machine that much as I do..."
I believe you.
Roman
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Westbam
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Quote: You payed all these games ?? It seems so,that this was a nice job for you.Westlame was not able to do other jobs.
If you want to pay another games for your pc group i would give you a really good job in one of my firms.
i bet you will need the money.
Secret Man <--------Westlame works for HIM
I really wonder if your jealousy and supidity can be topped by anyone although I doubt that apart from your parents there´s anyone else on this great planet with such a pathetic behaviour (unless you might have a brother or sister)...
Your insanity sure made you believe all the mess crumbled within your brain cells by now...
Your threats would bore everybody and his brother to death if there wouldn´t been your lousy english and the good laugh watching you making yourself look like a total moron.
As I told you before (unfortunately you cannot read nor think), your wellfare cheques won´t be enough to hire anyone on this board...
Westbam / Legend
p.s. Now come on you retard and give us more of your "I beat you up", "I ring you in the middle of the night", "I could be ruling all you guys if I´wouldn´t be an idiot",
"I tried to fuck my girlfriend but she slapped me in the face".. blah blah blah... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @CreaMD: Should I laugh or cry? Anything you prefer? Come on.. Whenever I say something I truely don't do this to back up any person within this thread. People who know me, know that this is an unwritten fact. You don't seem to know me, therefore I excuse your little derailing. For whatever purposes it should have served for you. Notice that I am expressing my opinion to the things. I said a slight part to the issue, nothing more. What you called that is a clear sign of disrespect for my person. If you accuse me of asslicking somebody or backing him up (I've doubts that this person needs any backup), I accuse you of trying to drag me into your personal rag war. Try to base your arguments neither on twisting my statements, nor on using them to underline your arguments if they simply don't fit there. Thats what I asked you for. You don't seem to respect that. I feel sorry for that. The part about where I should have asked questions Radar put up is appearing ridiculous for me and are no basement to discuss any further issues with you until you brought up the respect adults show.
Midfit I think you are misjudging me either, but what can I do. Maybe just say. I'm sorry.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Pretty simple. Nowadays C64 demo are way better. The experiences programmers do have about the machine are way larger than it used to be (simple reason : they spent 10 more years on the machine in how to get the least possible done).. And this is also among the entire scene. It is in human beings nature to drive development as far as possible.
If this wouldn´t be the case, we´d still live in wsmall wodden houses without electricity and wouldn´t wear shoes.... Hmmm, that somehow describes Secret Man´s present situation aswell I notice!
Westbam/Legend
I know shit about cracking so I can't comment on that but I do know a lot about demos, and on that topic I disagree with you.
Okay, if by better you mean more advanced coding techniques you might have a point. But a demo just isn't good because it's effects are good, there's much more to it than that. There's the graphics, the music, the design and that strange thing called 'x-factor' which just can't be controlled but is, amongst other things, influenced by the quality of the creators and the way they work(ed) together.
Or would you say that today's music is much better than that of the 60's becaus the studio techniques are so much better these days? :)
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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This Westlame is a really silly boy.He was not able to code a demo or to crack games.He was one of the best paymembers in da scene and now he has a big mouth.
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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I will beat you up Mike!! Bang Bang.... did you feel that!!
Harry
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
Secret man : You can write the word " LAME ", well it`s a start. Try this one " ASSHOLE ". Perhaps you can scare more people using that word.
Come on people, give him some words he can learn!!!
we are not evil people
Harry
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Radar
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@CremieD
You STILL don't want to accept and understand other peoples opinions, don't you?
What makes especially YOU being the person who can be allowed to judge the history you DIDN'T life in? You have no chance to compare, as you DIDN'T feel and DIDN'T see the past when the C64 had it's golden days and the scene was rocking with wares and competitions. ALL you can judge (and only for yourself) is the time (glorious and needless 11 years) you spent in the scene. And that's ALL.
Actually, I can see only two reasons why you constantly try to post your bullshit towards my handle:
You jumped into this thread, saw my name and recognised that I once kicked your lousy ass on IRC a few weeks ago when I already told you to fuck off and to stop kissing my ass. Now you try to pull me into things you have no clue about. What is your problem? Go and do what you can do best: 'START' - 'PROGRAMME' - 'VICE' - 'X64.EXE' and load in aaaaaallllll your cartridges.
Honestly I suppose that you don't even belong to my race and you are not even worth getting mentioned, but whatever...
And please stop pulling Midfit into things he has nothing to do. Both Midfit and I told you to stop word-swapping in order to raise your profile. And be sure, none of us oldskooler needs to kiss anybody's behind.
And you believe that you know 'more sceners' than I do/ever did? Oh boy... if you would know about it...
@Hero
Harry, you know that Secret Lady will drive to norway now in order to beat you up, don't you? Hahaha...
@Secret Lady
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @CremieD
You STILL don't want to accept and understand other peoples opinions, don't you?
What makes especially YOU being the person who can be allowed to judge the history you DIDN'T life in? You have no chance to compare, as you DIDN'T feel and DIDN'T see the past when the C64 had it's golden days and the scene was rocking with wares and competitions. ALL you can judge (and only for yourself) is the time (glorious and needless 11 years) you spent in the scene. And that's ALL.
Actually, I can see only two reasons why you constantly try to post your bullshit towards my handle:
You jumped into this thread, saw my name and recognised that I once kicked your lousy ass on IRC a few weeks ago when I already told you to fuck off and to stop kissing my ass. Now you try to pull me into things you have no clue about. What is your problem? Go and do what you can do best: 'START' - 'PROGRAMME' - 'VICE' - 'X64.EXE' and load in aaaaaallllll your cartridges.
Honestly I suppose that you don't even belong to my race and you are not even worth getting mentioned, but whatever...
And please stop pulling Midfit into things he has nothing to do. Both Midfit and I told you to stop word-swapping in order to raise your profile. And be sure, none of us oldskooler needs to kiss anybody's behind.
And you believe that you know 'more sceners' than I do/ever did? Oh boy... if you would know about it...
@Hero
Harry, you know that Secret Lady will drive to norway now in order to beat you up, don't you? Hahaha...
@Secret Lady
Changed pants today?
"You STILL don't want to accept and understand other peoples opinions, don't you?"
Sorry to disagree but you are wrong.
"What makes especially YOU being the person who can be allowed to judge the history you DIDN'T life in? You have no chance to compare, as you DIDN'T feel and DIDN'T see the past when the C64 had it's golden days and the scene was rocking with wares and competitions..."
That is so damn obvious. Why you are so emotional about that? ;-)
"ALL you can judge (and only for yourself) is the time (glorious and needless 11 years) you spent in the scene. And that's ALL."
If it wasn't your big mouth I would have wasted time with something a lot more important than this debate so there is actually 0,01% of truth in that sentence. See I have agreed with you. Almost.
"Actually, I can see only two reasons why you constantly try to post your bullshit towards my handle"
Wrong.
"You jumped into this thread, saw my name and recognised that I once kicked your lousy ass on IRC a few weeks ago when I already told you to fuck off and to stop kissing my ass."
Well, I had a slight suspicion, that you actually could be a twink...
" Now you try to pull me into things you have no clue about. What is your problem? Go and do what you can do best: 'START' - 'PROGRAMME' - 'VICE' - 'X64.EXE' and load in aaaaaallllll your cartridges.""
And now who is not getting a clue. ;-) Go to your parent's flat and clean dust of your C64. Ah.. so you sold your C64? I'm so sorry about that. *yawn*
"Honestly I suppose that you don't even belong to my race and you are not even worth getting mentioned, but whatever..."
This one is very hard to answer without starting debate about rascism and stuff. Actually, only possible answer of inteligent well educated person (which you also seemed to be but evidently aren't) might be using 4 letter words and I really don't want to descent to that (your) level.
"And please stop pulling Midfit into things he has nothing to do. Both Midfit and I told you to stop word-swapping in order to raise your profile. And be sure, none of us oldskooler needs to kiss anybody's behind. "
I stopped.
"And you believe that you know 'more sceners' than I do/ever did? Oh boy... if you would know about it..."
I *know*. It doesn't have anything to do with believing.
Roman
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Anthrax
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Quote: This Westlame is a really silly boy.He was not able to code a demo or to crack games.He was one of the best paymembers in da scene and now he has a big mouth.
You will never beat me up.
You stupid illiterate loser. You are so dumb it ain´t funny anymore....
If you´d just know what you talk about would give you a slide impression of Westbam did within the pirate scene. Apart from that, if you could just read a simple scrolltext (I am sorry, we should have added pictures to our scrolltexts regarding losers like you want to understand it) you´d know exactly if he could crack or not...
I don´t see a reason for explaining you the word "to provide" and what it ment in Legend, you wouldn´t understand it anyhow, you drug addicted faggot piece of shit!
But just to give you a hint, Westbam runs a multinational system administration company located with offices in four different countries up to now (as far as I know). In 2002 he bought two competitors. In 2003 his company was declared the fastest growing new economy company in our region.... He does things right!
And that´s the big difference between Scret Lady and Westbam. -> Westbam is a winner and Secret Man is the most horrible loser I´ve ever seen...
And before I forget Secret Stupid, is your girl friend still the same you had a few years ago? "Wolf-Dietrich" was her name, right? I hope "she" shaves herself nowadays! And does "she" still beat you up for being a slave-in-love?
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midfit
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Infact Westbam couldn't beat the amount of Re-Releases / Dupes some Mr. Secret Man supplied during his entire scene career, but infact he cracked far more first releases than SM's bosom friend Skinhead could recrack. Want to update the stats.. Westbam 10000 - Secret Man 0
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Westbam
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Sorry Secret Man, I am deeply sorry that I have been that much superior towards your tiny career. Sorry that you just life in anger for the rest of your pathetic existance thinking how much I ruled your dreams, your world, your life!
I am so sorry I beat you to all the games you bought in your story from money your illiterate parents had saved for your high school progress...
I am deeply frustrated noticing that I am responsible for your disadvantages in expressing yourself...
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- NOT! -
Go to hell you loser and kiss up to Satan´s butt like you did it to your daddy...
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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I can only laugh about your posts.5 lamers are trying to rag,but i can read only bullshit.No arguments.Thats not enough to fight against the Mighty Secret Man.
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midfit
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Quote: I can only laugh about your posts.5 lamers are trying to rag,but i can read only bullshit.No arguments.Thats not enough to fight against the Mighty Secret Man.
Secret Man <--- This is your GOD
Did we missed something? Which kind of fight. Or are you just bringing up threats again? Like beating us up and stuff. The only one who believes in your bloody little oneliners must be you and your friend Jochen. Say .. Could it be you ever were member of Paramount? I atleast remember two dudes from this group who exactly meet the level of your intelligence. This can't be coincidence and should be warning enough. One of them ripped the IFFL routine of Tyger/Genesis, the other one is selling dusty carpets on some local flea market. |
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Westbam
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Quote: I can only laugh about your posts.5 lamers are trying to rag,but i can read only bullshit.No arguments.Thats not enough to fight against the Mighty Secret Man.
Secret Man <--- This is your GOD
I truly hope that you can laugh on a better way than your feeble attempts in expressing it to us. And I hardly doubt that you can read at all. Try calling the number of this foundation fighting illiteration from the one TV advertiser. They might (I said they *might* as I´m not sure if they can go that far...) help you out of your misery...
btw., we do not fight at all. Fighting would be if I´d just knock your head off your damn corpse...
Westbam / Legend |
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Radar
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@CremieD
All I can see is that you agree on my topics and that's fine. THAT's the way it has to be.
@Secret Lady
Changed pants today already?
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Westbam
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Quote: @CremieD
All I can see is that you agree on my topics and that's fine. THAT's the way it has to be.
@Secret Lady
Changed pants today already?
Oh you´re right Radar,
I really must say that you are such a nice guy. You even remind Secret Man of Saturday so he wouldn´t forget the usual saturday bathing and panties turn around tour beacuse of his drug diseased brain...
Are we getting weak on our old days ?
(sorry, couldn´t resist on this one...)
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Ah,This gay Radork wants to buy my pants.Smelling really good.But you have not enough money to buy all my joop pants.
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Anthrax
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Quote: Ah,This gay Radork wants to buy my pants.Smelling really good.But you have not enough money to buy all my joop pants.
Secret Man - Germany Manager #1
You somehow love smooth satin gay undwear panties from gay designer Wolfgang Joop really much, do you?
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote: You somehow love smooth satin gay undwear panties from gay designer Wolfgang Joop really much, do you?
Anthrax / Legend
What do you want gaythrax? My clothes are to expensive for a gay like you !I only wear Armani,Joop,Boss and Versace.I bet that you prefer clothes from aldi and woolforth.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @CremieD
All I can see is that you agree on my topics and that's fine. THAT's the way it has to be.
@Secret Lady
Changed pants today already?
Hartmut, you just don't get what I wanted to say all over those posts, but as it has became your trademark already what can I say? Waste of time.
CreaMD
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Westbam
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Quote: What do you want gaythrax? My clothes are to expensive for a gay like you !I only wear Armani,Joop,Boss and Versace.I bet that you prefer clothes from aldi and woolforth.
Idiot
Where´d you buy your so-called designer wear?
Egypt? Turkey? Spain?
A normal outlet store in Germany wouldn´t accept your wellfare cheques under any circumstances...
Westbam / Legend
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Spectator
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Quote: He means that he got Lemmings FULL VERSION as First. But also here I've to disappoint him. AFL didn't made it. They brought it at the same time with several others. And therefore it is a hard task to decide who got it first, I would say: Nobody! It was a tie.
Furthermore just for the records: Skinhead/AFL made a special jewel version (which he re-cracked from Dytec) several weeks after the socalled first. His First Release Version was a real mess.
Also just for the records: I know that Irata/TRSI had got the original faster as the suppliers of Alpha Flight, because Crisp could do his two drive version just in peace.
So I would say it again: Secret Man is nobody of the big suppliers. God knows that some of the big suppliers are even active today. You are not even a player in this game, Sekret!
I happened to stumble upon this thread , and while scrolling through i noticed the Lemmings discussion.
Let us get one thing straight. There was no such thing as a tie on this release. SCS*TRC won it, by putting out a complete fixed version together with Empire.
Grab it here: ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Scene/SCS+TRC/ if you like.
Hope to see all of you at X-2004, so we can discuss and worry about old releases while drinking beer. ;)
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Radar
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@Secret Lady
Nobody wears underwear from Joop, Versace, Boss or Armani anymore. Well, let's say nobody who is a normal hetero today. Thoes labels in underwear unique is touching the gay-scene since years by now.
So THAT finally was a great coming out.
@CremieD
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Westbam
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Spectator is right!
Lemmings had been released first by SCS/TRC coop and NTSC fixed by Empire. Other groups back then dind´t really bother about the game as everybody knew Burglar had the game inside for months...
Apart from loser wannabe suppliers like Scret Man I must add....
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @Secret Lady
Nobody wears underwear from Joop, Versace, Boss or Armani anymore. Well, let's say nobody who is a normal hetero today. Thoes labels in underwear unique is touching the gay-scene since years by now.
So THAT finally was a great coming out.
@CremieD
You finally agreed, so what is your problem? You're weak, thats just it.
You are so... dumb, Radar. All you care about is your past. So I had agreed with you about the things which are about past. You haven't reacted on any of the stuff I have said about present. Actually when you started to talk your pathetic commentaries about straight abilities and real past successes and stuff. I told you to show off not by words but by deeds. You ignored that because you don't care at all about present C64 coz you probably havent touched in this millenium. You even claim that it's right what you are doing here, that I'm not one to tell you to shut up? Well if not me then who? The people who silently follow this discussion, silently disagree with your csdb forums rag-takeover, but don't care to post their opinion here? You actually just continue to feed that (tsm) troll with more stupid comments and it really gets boring already, it's just all what's left of your abilities.
You stayed in your childhood while everyone else around you have grew up. Who you are? All you claim to *be* is what that *you were*. Yeah you *were* and I agreed upon that, 'coz it's true. That's not my weakness, that's my strength to accept your truth. Why should I reiterate the things you have deliberately avoided to react on and why should I waste more time with you when you all you present here is just your desperate effort to re-claim your long forgotten recognition and nothing else.
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Westbam
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Could someone of the staff please be so kind and remove this newly added fake account by Secret Man and the like?
Thanks in advance. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Could someone of the staff please be so kind and remove this newly added fake account by Secret Man and the like?
Thanks in advance.
YOu can Private Message (in your userpage) to Perff , maybe he will finally find time and drop TSM either. He was quite busy lately so I suppose he doesn't follow these threads. |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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I bet these tnm96 is a new fake account from Westbam or Radork.Noone will delete the famous Secret Man.Someone should delete losers like Westlame or Radork before i will do it.
Secret Man <----------Rocks 2004 |
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midfit
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Yawn. Oops. Sorry I nearly slept away.. Did I missed something.. Ah yeah. I mean no.. Secret Man talking about 2004 rocks hitting his lame head. And did it help? No! He is still posting at this forum and wasting the costy bandwidth of AOL Inc. People begin to brag about spam email.. Every single penis enlargement mail has more content than any IP package sent from a host stationed in Braunschweig/Germany. Is that wondering anybody. Nah! |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
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Secret Man, in fact arent YOU Skinhead? damn your english is shitty like his... damn maybe your just a lame FUCK like him eh? Biggest dork ive seen since fucking Crossfire, and those 2 fags MK and th0r....
Go home and fuck your mommy as usual, you lame fuck.
Yours wonderfully in your ass sideways,
Fungus
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Westbam
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Quote: Secret Man, in fact arent YOU Skinhead? damn your english is shitty like his... damn maybe your just a lame FUCK like him eh? Biggest dork ive seen since fucking Crossfire, and those 2 fags MK and th0r....
Go home and fuck your mommy as usual, you lame fuck.
Yours wonderfully in your ass sideways,
Fungus
Fungus:
Gawd, you´re right. I almost forgot about Master Gay (aehm Cracker) and the all time loser George "I rammed my beagle up the ass" Th0r.... Actually this is keen competition on Secret Man´s way on becoming the biggest loser ever touching a Commodore C64 keyboard... Hmmm, how about acid blinded Sonny/Mirage ???
Secret Man/Skinhead:
Unfortunately you are the only one on here that needs to hide his poor identity behind unknown/other handles. Neither me nor Radar need to play that game, we´ve got guts...
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The Overkiller
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What about a translation in english ? |
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Radar
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@Westbam
It's not only guts we have, we've the balls men use to have in order to face the real life ;-)
@Westbam & Fungus
Actually, I got along with Thor and MK quite well. I know them personally and believe me, they aren't that asses you guys might think. You need to get them to now in real life and join NYC at night. The fun will be there for sure...
@Secret Lady
Hasn't it been YOU who tried to log on under fake acounts on TK? Hasn't it be YOU who used the name of Gene, Tyree and Parson in order to get accounts on either TK or CSDB? Yes, that's what it's all about - a little dork, head of of shit (that's what we call Shithead) without the ability of facing us in arguments or nbringing up facts and proofs.
@CremieD
You ask for more but only words concerning the present? You ask for action? Once again I need to tell you to read this thread again, as I already posted that I'm out of the scene and won't come back. In my eyes, there's no reason for me to concentrate on a dead machine (this is my opinion when it comes to the wares compared to the past!). And still, do you believe I can't 'do' it anymore and can't release decent versions of games anymore? Pfff.....
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CreaMD
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Quote: @Westbam
It's not only guts we have, we've the balls men use to have in order to face the real life ;-)
@Westbam & Fungus
Actually, I got along with Thor and MK quite well. I know them personally and believe me, they aren't that asses you guys might think. You need to get them to now in real life and join NYC at night. The fun will be there for sure...
@Secret Lady
Hasn't it been YOU who tried to log on under fake acounts on TK? Hasn't it be YOU who used the name of Gene, Tyree and Parson in order to get accounts on either TK or CSDB? Yes, that's what it's all about - a little dork, head of of shit (that's what we call Shithead) without the ability of facing us in arguments or nbringing up facts and proofs.
@CremieD
You ask for more but only words concerning the present? You ask for action? Once again I need to tell you to read this thread again, as I already posted that I'm out of the scene and won't come back. In my eyes, there's no reason for me to concentrate on a dead machine (this is my opinion when it comes to the wares compared to the past!). And still, do you believe I can't 'do' it anymore and can't release decent versions of games anymore? Pfff.....
@Dumb: I started to read yesterday but when I came to that "rich past" episode I couldn't stop laughing. "Money just buys everything, we all know that and I love that." Heroism at it's best.
And after that CZ's post, zombie dance starts.. "Past", "you never saw in action", "real scene back", "real floppy-drives", "no emulator", and that sort of self-centered elitist crap. "People like you..." "emulator", "our old wares", "this is the fact".
buhahahah..
"I want to hear this from the runners of this database and not from a goat like you", " voted top groups", "past" , "first and real succes"
"the reason why I don't respect lamers like you..."
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"As far as people stay straight in their abilities and straight to what they do, they earn my respect. People like you who spoil the past with their 'I wanna be somebody'-attitide, will never ever earn my respect, neither will they ever be part of any scene at all."
yeah yeah. yeah.. you should read after yourself.. and maybe even try to live by your words... mister straight abilities.
Roman
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Westbam
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Radar:
Your point ov view about Thor and MK is accepted of course. But I did not really like Thor in particular considering all the bullshit he came up with towards Legend. Random for example, was a promising group with Sormbringer & Pudwerx. Thor on the hand did nothing but running his mouth. The only contribution to the scene he ever had was his mouth and his beagle... They even removed him from his own group after a while!
But of course you are right, I cannot judge them on a real life basis as I simply didn´t have much contact to both of them...
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Radar
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@Westbam
Those words are sure wise. Each of us has good or bad thoughts in his mind about certain people. Some didn't get along, others did. About the Random-removal with Thor, I don't know. I remember Tangerine ;-)
Yeah, Sunny was kind of weird sometimes. But also Shark was real 'rude' and in combination with MK, Thor, Cure and Skandle, we had a lot of fun.
I remember that I always have been in arguments with Horizon/NEC+NEI on the boards, but while that we both were coding on a working PAL/NTSC-Fastloader, I also did an intro for Murdock once. Damn, cool times... |
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Anthrax
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All Thor could do back then was threatening people on the phone he would disconnect their phone line or sent them the feds...
Wow, he was a true hero... NOT! |
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Tricket
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Quote: All Thor could do back then was threatening people on the phone he would disconnect their phone line or sent them the feds...
Wow, he was a true hero... NOT!
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Westbam
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Quote: @Westbam
Those words are sure wise. Each of us has good or bad thoughts in his mind about certain people. Some didn't get along, others did. About the Random-removal with Thor, I don't know. I remember Tangerine ;-)
Yeah, Sunny was kind of weird sometimes. But also Shark was real 'rude' and in combination with MK, Thor, Cure and Skandle, we had a lot of fun.
I remember that I always have been in arguments with Horizon/NEC+NEI on the boards, but while that we both were coding on a working PAL/NTSC-Fastloader, I also did an intro for Murdock once. Damn, cool times...
Yeah, The Shark was kinda harsh. I remember his argues with Goldfish on Wild Wares & Telephone Anarchy. Skandle wasn´t really involved into these flames if I resume correctly. The Cure? Wasn´t he that rather young guy who ran his board private for a while? I got along with him (X-factor, him and myself had some funny conferences going) but when he joined Random he somehow twisted aroud and got weird towards me... Sonny was for sure the biggest loser overseas I ever saw!
I also remember this North East Importers intro you did with this huge logo, right... Horizon was a cool guy. Watching him reprogramming half of the games in order to get them NTSC fixed was very impressive. I still judge him the best NTSC Fixer back then by far...
And I think I do remember that there were also times you and George bashed on each other for good didn´t you?
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
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Radar: I don't know, you ever talked to these 2 on the phone? I swear Th0r was spanking it in the background...
And MK always making personal threats and he's a kung fu this n that... he should watch his mouth around someone such as me. I may shut it for him. Anyways...
Westbam: For fucking real dude!!
CreamD: ELite is as elite does.
/Fungus/Nostlagia/
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CreaMD
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Quote: Radar: I don't know, you ever talked to these 2 on the phone? I swear Th0r was spanking it in the background...
And MK always making personal threats and he's a kung fu this n that... he should watch his mouth around someone such as me. I may shut it for him. Anyways...
Westbam: For fucking real dude!!
CreamD: ELite is as elite does.
/Fungus/Nostlagia/
How could I ever disagree with what you have said Fungus? However, as far as I remember, you have never ever claimed any special treatment for being someone. ;-) |
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TDJ
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True elite doesn't act like they are. Take a look at guys like Burglar or Crossbow, true heroes but always modest. |
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Radar
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@Fungus
I did talk to them on the phone, more than just one time. And like I said to Westbam before: Some people got along, others didn't. All I can tell are the personal refelctions I have, and those were good. If other people think that they idiots, then it's their opinion and their choise to say that. All I can say is, that they are not when it concerns my point of view.
@Westbam
That's true, Horizon used to be one of the best, maybe even the best NTSC-fixer we had at that time. But remember Pudwerx? And what was the guys name from Empire (Sylvain)? We had a few of them, sure.
And yeah, Thor and me had some arguments. Stopped when we built Tangerine together with a few others (the group never was C64-concerned). The Cure.... I'm thinking about the name of his board (yup, was private). Forgot! |
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Westbam
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Quote: True elite doesn't act like they are. Take a look at guys like Burglar or Crossbow, true heroes but always modest.
@The Dark Judge: Whatever makes you happy dude... I hardly doubt you ever visited any of the major boards back then like Wares Galore, Wild Wares, Wares Castle, Hells Gate, The Forum, Second To None, Telephon Anarchy, Terminal Obsession, The Disk Shoppe etc. etc. did you? You wouldn´t state such a stupid one liner you just did... Or would you really dare to say members of ATC, NEC/NEI, Ikari, Talent, Ils, Censor, INC, Dominators etc. etc. weren´t elite?
To be exact, even Burglar had been in the middle of huge wars. Crossbow on the other hand never really appeared in the BBS scene...
No problem on having a discussion on how "eilte" should act but please stick to things you have a clue of...
@Radar: Sure, Jason and Sylvain (Booze) were very good NTSC fixers aswell. So were Grim Reaper, X-Factor or Stealth but I think the effort Zsolt put into his releases was way beyond these guys... He was a 100% maniac!
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midfit
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200% to be more precise :) |
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TDJ
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Westbam: nope, haven't ever visited those. But have you ever made demos together with people like Jeroen Tel, Mirage, Hein, Bagder, Cycleburner, Metal & Sander? Probably not (well, maybe Mirage as he was also in Legend) .. Because you're not a demo-scener just as I'm not part of the cracking scene, so why would I ever visit those boards? But the people I mentioned are elite too .. just a different kind of elite, and I doubt any of them would come here and constantly scream YOU WEREN'T AROUND IN 1989 SO YOU MEAN NOTHING!! as certain people seem to do here.
I never cared for boards & conferences, I remember Paco calling me several times, trying to get me on a conference and me denying his offer because I was too busy working on a new demo. If I only knew that if I had accepted I could have been considered ELITE by you guys .. damn .. I was on several pc/amiga boards in the mid 90's though, does that count? Focus even had a whq, does that count?
So I repeat my statement: true elite doesn't act like they are. And maybe my definition of elite differs from yours, but that doesn't make my statement less true. I don't mind a good rag-war, God knows I've had my share of those as well on Spankerz Heaven, but there's a difference between that and just being a prick. And no, I'm not talking about you here, but keep mentioning dead groups and you may get there :)
I've been around for as long as you guys (since '87), I'm still 'active' and I think I've accomplished just as much as you guys did, albeit in a different part of the scene. So please remember that before you go all high & mighty on my ass, okay? |
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Westbam
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@The Dark Judge:
Of course these people are elite too. And, I know I keep repeating myself, I declared several times on here that it won´t make a difference when you were/are active on the C64, it´s the contribution you did to the community & machine that counts. There ain´t too ways of being elite. The difference between demo & cracking scene weren´t that far by the way. Cracking group´s aim was it to get the game out first. Demo group´s aim was it to be the first to have some routine or routine combinations running... To be honest this concludes into the same goal one way or another, doesn´t it?
Furthermore, the C64 scene around the end 80´s / beginning 90´s was based upon the BBS scene. Demo groups had Hq´s too, which might surprise you. Demos from Horizon, Blackmail, Beyond Force etc. etc. have been uploaded and spread through BBS´s aswell so it is obvious that the BBS´s were a big part of the scene back then.. But that´s another case, I´m drifting away, sorry.
What made me replying towards you on that case was that your statements are simply not true (according to Burglar for example). I am sure you could give me plenty of stories about the Demo scene and how great some people were and behaved, I´d listen to it and take it for granted. Why? Because I don´t know it any better. And that´s the point, I stick to things I know. Apart from these things I am always interested in hearing other point of views, so you are more than welcome to tell your stories. But in case you come up with info that is false, you must accept critsism aswell as much as I do...
Ok, back to the flame topic. I would totally agree to your point of view concerning flame wars if this forum would be a total mess and war ground. But as far as I noticed these flames exist in less than 2% of the topics overall. I don´t think this will crumble your world, does it? So in case you consider our statements a bit harsh, just skip it. That´s what I do when it comes to programming discussions as I´m not really interested in this anymore either as I got more than enough trouble with todays systems...
So vise versa, if you consider me dropping as a so-called "elite" to the scene by mentioning old groups, I cannot consider you an elite either for stating wrong facts.... <- Now that was an interesting sentence...NOT!
And I don´t think that people rag on each other don´t behave elite. This was a simply a part of the entire C64 history. If people act/acted different, they´re welcome aswell. The only people I disqualify from being elite are losers like Secret Man that don´t/didn´t do anythingand don´t have the slightest clue of what they talk...
And no, being on a certain board on a certain system doesn´t count at all, I´ve been on plenty of these boards aswell but it sure gives me the opportunity to judge the happenings as I have been part of it...
And, you are not among them (the losers I mean)!
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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@Westbam: glad to see it's possible to be able to disagree without running the risk of another rag-war. Because to be honest, those days are behind me, guess I really became too old for them ..
Anyway, a few points, as I actually agree with a lot you said:
1. I've got nothing against people being proud of what they did. Hell, I'm probably one of the most arrogant bastards that ever walked around in the c64 scene and it hasn't made me many friends. Just ask around, you'll find out that old Tdj isn't the most popular scener :) Lots of other demosceners were big-headed too, remember Solomon/Beyond Force? Or Omega Supreme? Man these guys could brag! And they had the right to do so. Still I don't think that being elite automatically means that you've got the right to look down on people who weren't around when things really mattered (well, as much as they could for a subculture as the c64 scene). Which is exactly what Radar does: slagging on CreaMD while the last one in fact might have a bigger impact on the c64 scene history because of his www.c64.sk work. And yes, I mean that ..
2. Ofcourse I know about demo groups having hq's, it just was never 'my thing'. Hell, I even used calling cards in '88, building up friendships with American sceners such as Thinker/TWG. But like I said, I concentrated on making demos and sometimes organizing parties. That was my choice, and I don't think I'm any less of a scener because of it. But I doubt you feel that way too, so let's drop that.
3. I've got nothing against a good flame-war like I said but things here got out of hand. Three different threads, all quickly degrading into "I make more money than you". C'mon .. Ofcourse there were some nice posts too (you had me chuckling on several occasions and even Secret Man took a good shot in there somewhere). But it got to a point when, yes, there was a chance that it would spill into something more dangerous: the deleting of data here. CSDB is an open database, meaning everybody can change everything, unless it is locked. This is both its strength and its weakness: one idiot can ruin the work of many others if he wants too. And all I did was ask if you (well, Anthrax) could keep that in mind, especially because that one idiot was present.
4. I'm not too fond of people trying to make a point by listing names, I think it's weak. Most of us here can play that game, but what really matters is what a person himself did, and how he acts now. That's why I was a bit dissapointed by your previous post. But your past and your last post earn you my respect. Not that you should care but still ..
So to make a long story short (..): being elite doesn't mean you can't rag, but in my opinion it also doesn't mean you can just rag on anybody who disagrees with you and didn't have the luck we had of being part of the 'real' scene. Because yes, I do feel that the scene in 1988/1989 was much better than today's, but that's not the fault of the current sceners, is it? |
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Fungus
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TDJ: Absolutely! I have ever so much respect for Crossbow, when I first entered the scene and started talking demo routines, he took an interest in me sort of. I am glad he did, and my respect for him grew even more so. I also learned alot from him, and consider Roland a very good friend of mine. That's just my story tho...
Some how I feel the same of You, Metal Maniac, Zyron, GRG , Graham and GHD!
Westbam: I hate to correct you, but SOME groups wanted to make the first release all times, others were concerned with making the best versions. There is a rather large distinction for me between the BOARD scene and the MAIL scene... I like it all myself. And, being in active groups at the end of 64dom , I dont consider myself in the same league as you all. But I had some fun, and it's was nice to get a firstie now and then.
But as you know, now I concentrate on Nostalgia, and you probly dont care for the rereleases of games, but check our Firstie, Double Dragon Cart Fix (C) 1991 Ocean, I'm afriad you DIDN'T crack EVERY ocean cart ;)))
As for fixing, I would like some opinions on the hard work Sorex , 6r6 and I put into Phobia 100% fix. Which I beleive is the only 100% working, and also Only NTSC fixed version of this game.
find both games here, http://nostalgia.c64.org
If you have a list of unfixed games anyone, I would also like this, and consider it a challege!!!
Radar: True it is only my opinion, and I only talked with them twice, and it was maybe at the expense of a lamer named WaD... hehhee We had fun with him. But still, I had alot more interesting conversations with other ppl over the years.
Fungus of Nostalgia!!
(NOT ONSLAUGHT!!) (I changed this, wtf??)
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midfit
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My two cents: Actually I don't like to measure people with terms like ELITE, NEWSKOOL, OLDSKOOL - whatever. In detail I am just trying to put people for myself into a line. Like deciding if they're good according to their skills or if they have the proper social competence. And without any doubt - I've been working together with Fungus and he is infact very skilled. So Fungus. Forgive me, but the line is not "about the league where are you seeing yourself". Without any doubt Fungus is a person I would like to have into my group. Where I personally draw a very hard line is between demo and crack, as actually these parts of the scene have nothing common. The only thing they got common is the origin. While I also think that most from the demo scene have forgotten their origin. It were the cracking groups who got it going. And whenever I see nasty comments by people in the demo scene @ pouet.net about what I consider to be cracking scene I can only shake my head in disagreement. I also measure if somebody is able to jump upon other platforms, in general if he has the skills to handle MORE than just one platform. Yeah indeed, it is a masterpiece to know one platform very good.. But after all it ís even better if somebody can handle two or even three platforms. A good cracker is the person who can do everything - anytime - everywhere.. He shouldn't ask if he is doing stuff on some 8/16/32 bits system. I won't name anybody here, but there have been a lot of C64 people who could actually meet this standard. Not to forget it.. Quite some people from the Amiga/Atari ST aswell (Maybe even more people as from the C64!). And I am happy that I had the opportunity to work with some of them. |
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Westbam
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@Fungus:
Actually there was also a cartridge named The Last Ninja Remix if I remmeber correctly. We did not relase that one aswell as the only difference to the original game were some pictures and musics so we only linked these things together and releaesed them called "The Last Ninja Collection" or something like that. I am not aware of this Double Dragon Cartridge right by heart I have to admit. I need to get into my collection for remembering some story about this game...
For the NTSC fix aspect, I think our releases of Robocop III, Mc Donald Land and Hokk never got fixed as far as I remember. If you want, I can e-mail you these wares, no problem...
About the last point, I think all groups were eager to have the best version from a game out besides having the first release on that. In this case I´d like to remind you of our releases like Shadow Of The Beast v2 (by Antitrack), Cyberball v2 (by Antitrack), Moonfall +4 (by myself), Cyberboid 2 v2 +12 (by Powerplant), Sonic Boom v2 +4 (by Powerplant) or B-Bobs +2 (by Antitrack). We did many games twice because of this reason. Most of these games will be downloadable on our forthcoming homepage...
@The Dark Judge:
Of course we can have a decent conversation without getting into a flame war. We´re both grown up I guess. Apart from that, I do honour your guys work on this database aswell. I do also want to contribute to this work with my knowledge about the past scene to this database but due to unknown reasons nobody of the maintaining people do answer my messages I sent them regarding to wrong info on several groups (e.g. North East Importers) which is kind of sad...
Oh, I almost forgot, I do not consider this a good flame war either whatsoever as I don´t really consider Secret Man and the like a challenge whatsoever but on the other hand, I don´t feel like letting him get away for nothing pulling all these lies and false informations...
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @Fungus:
Actually there was also a cartridge named The Last Ninja Remix if I remmeber correctly. We did not relase that one aswell as the only difference to the original game were some pictures and musics so we only linked these things together and releaesed them called "The Last Ninja Collection" or something like that. I am not aware of this Double Dragon Cartridge right by heart I have to admit. I need to get into my collection for remembering some story about this game...
For the NTSC fix aspect, I think our releases of Robocop III, Mc Donald Land and Hokk never got fixed as far as I remember. If you want, I can e-mail you these wares, no problem...
About the last point, I think all groups were eager to have the best version from a game out besides having the first release on that. In this case I´d like to remind you of our releases like Shadow Of The Beast v2 (by Antitrack), Cyberball v2 (by Antitrack), Moonfall +4 (by myself), Cyberboid 2 v2 +12 (by Powerplant), Sonic Boom v2 +4 (by Powerplant) or B-Bobs +2 (by Antitrack). We did many games twice because of this reason. Most of these games will be downloadable on our forthcoming homepage...
@The Dark Judge:
Of course we can have a decent conversation without getting into a flame war. We´re both grown up I guess. Apart from that, I do honour your guys work on this database aswell. I do also want to contribute to this work with my knowledge about the past scene to this database but due to unknown reasons nobody of the maintaining people do answer my messages I sent them regarding to wrong info on several groups (e.g. North East Importers) which is kind of sad...
Oh, I almost forgot, I do not consider this a good flame war either whatsoever as I don´t really consider Secret Man and the like a challenge whatsoever but on the other hand, I don´t feel like letting him get away for nothing pulling all these lies and false informations...
Westbam / Legend
I was also contacting Perff lately. I don't know about Kilroy, but Perff had final exam last week and I'm sure he was busy befor that exam too, so that might be the problem why he is silent right now. Also, keep in mind that this database is open so if you find any incorrect info about anything edit/correct that yourself and then send PM to maintainers about your changes and reasons for them. Some entries are locked, but usually only those where the person related to the entry is still around and maintaining it.
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midfit
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As far as I know the entry of North East Importers is locked by Moloch. Sowith changes are not possible ... |
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CreaMD
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Quote: As far as I know the entry of North East Importers is locked by Moloch. Sowith changes are not possible ...
So let's contact Moloch |
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Celtic
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Since the rest are all very busy, you could contact me too.. I might be of help..
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Westbam
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Quote: Since the rest are all very busy, you could contact me too.. I might be of help..
Celtic/noname
Yeah, I just received your private message anyhow. I´ll leave you the info before I log off.. Thanks! |
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tnm96
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Hat von euch schon mal irgendeiner richtig gebumst? |
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Westbam
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Quote: Hat von euch schon mal irgendeiner richtig gebumst?
Like I already mentioned a few days ago, could anyone of the staff please be so kind and remove this lately added fake account from The Secret Man...
Westbam / Legend |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
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Midfit: Thanks for nice words. also, why did you leave nostalgia if you dont mind me asking in public? otherwise you can find me on irc as usual... if you care to go there. We have a private channel.
Westbam: I could use any list of unfixed games, I can tell You Toki was also not fixed, and also didnt have the music as you know. However, I do some older games, such as Short Circuit, Bionic Commando (Anyone got an ori of this???), hmmm my release lists are just to incomplete to know.
So any and all help is apprec!!
until then...
Fungus/Nostalgia
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Radar
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somebody please nuke tnm96... |
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Westbam
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Quote: Midfit: Thanks for nice words. also, why did you leave nostalgia if you dont mind me asking in public? otherwise you can find me on irc as usual... if you care to go there. We have a private channel.
Westbam: I could use any list of unfixed games, I can tell You Toki was also not fixed, and also didnt have the music as you know. However, I do some older games, such as Short Circuit, Bionic Commando (Anyone got an ori of this???), hmmm my release lists are just to incomplete to know.
So any and all help is apprec!!
until then...
Fungus/Nostalgia
@Fungus: I doubt that Toki can be released featuring the musics wihtout a memory expansion. That was the original problem DOC had back then. There was simply not enough memory to put the music in.
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Radar
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Quote: @Fungus: I doubt that Toki can be released featuring the musics wihtout a memory expansion. That was the original problem DOC had back then. There was simply not enough memory to put the music in.
Westbam/Legend
BUT you forget that any great emulator can handle it nowadays - that's the reason why people try to slag on old versions all the time.
It's a good conversation with Fungus about it, and I bet that he knows the difference between old and new possibilities concerning C64. Unluckily, most of the newskoolers don't know and that's why we always have to face this point and keep on explaining our standard from the past. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: BUT you forget that any great emulator can handle it nowadays - that's the reason why people try to slag on old versions all the time.
It's a good conversation with Fungus about it, and I bet that he knows the difference between old and new possibilities concerning C64. Unluckily, most of the newskoolers don't know and that's why we always have to face this point and keep on explaining our standard from the past.
Daemagogy. Cracks are done for plain system even now. For example Ocean CRT version of Double Dragon needed to recode memory extensive scroller routines in order to fit the music in. Crack was made by GRG and Fungus. Cadaver helped with some ideas as far as I know.
That trick (i hope you understand how was it done) could be done in past too.
And why the hell would people need cracks for emu-only anyway?!? when all they need to get is CRT file (cartridge) of the game and start it in emulator.
So maybe also the other cracks which couldn't play music because of memory reasons could be possibly recoded too. Believe me after all those years you were inactive nobody degenerated so heavily that he would make crack for emulator-users only.
Roman
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Radar
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Quote: Daemagogy. Cracks are done for plain system even now. For example Ocean CRT version of Double Dragon needed to recode memory extensive scroller routines in order to fit the music in. Crack was made by GRG and Fungus. Cadaver helped with some ideas as far as I know.
That trick (i hope you understand how was it done) could be done in past too.
And why the hell would people need cracks for emu-only anyway?!? when all they need to get is CRT file (cartridge) of the game and start it in emulator.
So maybe also the other cracks which couldn't play music because of memory reasons could be possibly recoded too. Believe me after all those years you were inactive nobody degenerated so heavily that he would make crack for emulator-users only.
Roman
That 'trick' might be good (and we spoke about Toki and not Double Dragon), but still we had other positions to start at.
Let's take a few examples:
FLI has been done by Blackmail as the first in like 1989. In 1989/1990 they published their FLI-Editor and everybody else was able to use it, re-code it and to work on the routines to make them better and better. THAT could could be done in 1982 already - BUT the progress wasn't that far at that time.
IFFL has been invented in early 1988 as first by The Syndicate/Beastie Boys. At that time, it was still called MFL. In middle/late 1988 it changed to IFFL and after the editors got spread, everybody else was able to use it, re-code it and work on the code to make it better and better. The scan-routines got faster, they got transfered into the floppy-memory and the file was readable by calculated T/S instead of counting bytes - BUT the progress wasn't that far at the beginning when Syndicate invented his routines.
Those two examples show us, that there has always been a certain progress which needs to get finished. When we were learning our work on the C64, we had other another time with another knowledgement. When I was releasing my fist game in like 1984, I had other knowledges and other possibilities to use than in 1993 when I released my last game for Arcade.
The newskool is based on a bigger pool of knowledge from the scene of the past. When the C64 got released in 1982 and the scene started, there was no knowledge about the machine and we had to start with nothing. During the years, more and more possibilities got opened - the sceners from nowadays leeched that and are for sure into better coding.
And there you habe to compare the way of the wares got released with the time it got released. If you put those wares into comparisation, you'll see the best available versions of that time.
And believe me, if people like DOC (who did Toki for Legend) wrote that the music had to be nuked at that time, for the reason you just quoted out, it was the one and only way to get along with it. |
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Complex
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secret man's ramblings about being a member of COMPLEX has recently come to our attention. We'd like to make very clear that secret man is in no way affiliated with COMPLEX. We as a group have a strict policy that NO member posts about their affiliations. As some of you pointed out it would be a serious security risk and not one we wish to take.
To Secret Man:
We dont know you nor do we want to. We recommend for your own self interest that you STFU. you are NOT in COMPLEX nor will you ever be.
Thank you all for your time. you may return to your flame wars. This public service announcement has been brought to you by...ah fuck it.
~Team COMPLEX~ |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Radar, Radar, Radar...
Your argumentation is correct and full of insight, how could I ever disagree with what you say about progress and that stuff?
But you avoided to admit that you had wrong assumptions with emu-oriented cracking. I don't have anything against you, but when you will keep trying to do this easy manipulation all the time we will never be able to get into any agreement.
Also it's quite simple trick of shortening hardscroll which used for example lda $0428 sta $0400 lda $0429, sta $0401... into something which used lda $0428,x sta $0400,x. This is not a new technology, just a simple logical improvement of a routine. Double dragon used a little different code, but the idea is roughly the same.
Cadaver: "I remember Double Dragon had completely unrolled (speedcode) colorscroll, which was unnecessary. It was reduced by several kilobytes.." however he also admits that "But note that in Toki, such substantial gains would not have been possible!!"
So Westbam's is probably right, TOKI maybe won't be cracked properly for plain system. Who knows.
Cadaver: "Yeah, it's true that this "trick" is nothing like FLI or IFFL. It's just cleverness or stupidity of the programmer, and scroll-loops were well-known by then.."
Roman
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Much new Fake accounts here.And sorry that i was is this lamer group Complex.
Radork: You never cracked any games,bcoz you are not able to show us one of your cracks.Loser.
Secret Man / Elite
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midfit
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FLI.. Well I remember Charlatan by Beyond Force. Actually it contained a FLI routine to fake the x rastersplits it was containing. Funny enuff that OMG/Amok (huhah.. Antichrist!) in his Sex'n'Crime commented this routine as a fake raster split based on a fake color routine considered to be lame. |
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Anthrax
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Quote: Much new Fake accounts here.And sorry that i was is this lamer group Complex.
Radork: You never cracked any games,bcoz you are not able to show us one of your cracks.Loser.
Secret Man / Elite
Buahaha.. What a laugh. Son, you must be the most stupid liar on the entire planet. Did you really think you get away with this Complex bullshit?
And, just to help you on your miserable illiteration, the guy stated YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN COMPLEX NOR EVER WILL BE! So there´s no need for pulling you were in this group but it was lame blah blah.....
Face the truth, you sucked, you still and you will suck for the rest of your entire life. [CASE CLOSED]
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psychobilly/x-RSI
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Hello everybody known and unknown..
I was told some interesting debate is going on here. Apparently, this seems to be a misinformation. In fact, I have to realise that some people's development has stalled since the early 1990ies. For sure a tragedy for the single individual but not of my specific interest.
This observation goes perfectly in line with Christian's (Secret Man in this funny paralell world) request. It is a rather savage attempt to insult Andreas (Count Zero). His motivation is beyond my understanding. I used to enjoy working together with both guys in past. Christian has been an exceptionally committed group member. Although I never liked the way Christian behaved in the public (BBS at that time). In this point not much has changed. Our ways split when RSI was reborn by Irata and I joined.
My respect to Andreas for his appropriate reaction and for the most valuable contribution in this body of text. It has been a great pleasure to work and party together with him. He was my motivation to check this place but he absolutely does not need anybody's help here.
The rest of the conversation might continue without my comment.
Yours faithfully,
Stefan aka Psychobilly/x-RSI/x-Hysteric
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chatGPZ
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this is getting funnier every day indeed :) just talked to a member of the complex xbox coding team and he has never heard of anyone named secret man, strange hu? |
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Westbam
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Quote: Hello everybody known and unknown..
I was told some interesting debate is going on here. Apparently, this seems to be a misinformation. In fact, I have to realise that some people's development has stalled since the early 1990ies. For sure a tragedy for the single individual but not of my specific interest.
This observation goes perfectly in line with Christian's (Secret Man in this funny paralell world) request. It is a rather savage attempt to insult Andreas (Count Zero). His motivation is beyond my understanding. I used to enjoy working together with both guys in past. Christian has been an exceptionally committed group member. Although I never liked the way Christian behaved in the public (BBS at that time). In this point not much has changed. Our ways split when RSI was reborn by Irata and I joined.
My respect to Andreas for his appropriate reaction and for the most valuable contribution in this body of text. It has been a great pleasure to work and party together with him. He was my motivation to check this place but he absolutely does not need anybody's help here.
The rest of the conversation might continue without my comment.
Yours faithfully,
Stefan aka Psychobilly/x-RSI/x-Hysteric
Hmmm, at first I thought that doesn´t really sound like Psychobilly at all. His english was inferior compared to this statement. But however, he might have improved, congratulation and respect in this case.
Second of all, Psychobilly´s behaviour on the boards back then wasn´t really coming up to most people´s expectations either. I for myself had huge arguements with him. So either he forgot about these things or this is a fake account.
I agree on his opinion towards Count Zero. He was a skilled person whatsoever.
I consider it rather funny that this post is just discrediting Secret Man´s behaviour (or whatever you want to call it) once again although Secret Man expected to have found an ally in Psychobilly.....
Last but not least (although Scret Man can be considered "the least"), talking about Scret Man´s relationship towards Complex is just the way Midfit and myself stated, there isn´t any.
Westbam / Legend ...still waiting for any sight of Secret Man backing up his bullshit! |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
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Radar: Correct. Also, I been around along time. In the scene or not. And we would never make cracks for EMULAMERS. In fact, I could care less about emu's. Everything we do is done on, for and to real 64 and hardware. I cant comment on how things were done back then, but I do have some rather impressive Triad cracks, and also alot more from Section8. The difference now days, of course, is the quality of tools. You are right, but huge pool of knowledge? WHere??? I had to learn everything i know virtually myself, with the exception of IFFL which I got from Midfit, and has since been improved upon by myself, 6r6, Ninja, Doc, and Antitrack. Ahh, I can see if you mean pooling knowledge in that way. As for cracking and coding... everything was learned the hard way, as it should be, and I wouldnt tell my secrets to you or anyone else, unless your in my group, and I respect you deeply of coz, which means you got a similar level of knowledge.
Westbam: Well, it wasnt very hard to make the sprites load in multiple parts for DD, and may also be possible for Toki. To me it was a matter of TIME and EFFORT. as it does take some time to recode such crap, and not everyone wants to do so. ALso, the scroll routine is less than $0100 bytes, was done by cadaver, and I fixed the routine to also
work on ntsc.
Secret Wench/Skidmark, please go die, we dont care, and flaming you isnt worth the time to type the text to do so. Your silly brain doesnt comprehend anything but the illusions you hold dear. So please, go fuck yourself somewhere else, where someone cares.
uff
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midfit
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Fungus: It is nice that you continue your work. What would be nice for me is to actually see how the IFFL evoluted during the time we started working on it. I guess I will take my time to visit #c-64 again to have some chat with you. Have been some years since we had this pleasure, pal. Hope to see you there on this weekend. |
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Westbam
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@Fungus:
Actually DOC spent almost 8 weeks on the crack of Toki back then in reprogramming that game, getting it to work and look for work-arounds to get the game stored in memory. I rather belive it ain´t possible considering how much time he spent. But on the other hand I must admit, it would be very impressive if someone could come up with a solution to that problem...
Westbam / Legend |
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tnm96
Registered: Jan 2004
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Quote: Like I already mentioned a few days ago, could anyone of the staff please be so kind and remove this lately added fake account from The Secret Man...
Westbam / Legend
Du könntest doch auch ruhig mal deine mutter deleten.. |
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Radar
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@Fungus
What I can see is that we both respect eachother and that we both know what we talk about. Also I like the easy way we talk about this topic. You are one of those people who understands the old way and who has no need for useless emulator-crap. Go on like this...
@PsychISilly
I hardly doubt this was you, but anyhow... How's the drug-scene doing?
@CreamiD
Guess what? You can fucking kiss my ass. EVERYBODY understood my post, you just didn't want to. You can't argue, you can't prove, you can't do jack-shit. Somehow this reminds me of Secret Lady...
@Secret Lady
7 more days to go... |
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Anthrax
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Quote: Du könntest doch auch ruhig mal deine mutter deleten..
Dear Mr. Secret Man Elite Hero,
why don´t you just do:
- us all a favour;
- your disgraced parents a favour;
- your relatives and friends (yeah right!) a favour;
- yourself a favour;
and just get burried in the acid wasted ground you came from again... |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
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Quote: Dear Mr. Secret Man Elite Hero,
why don´t you just do:
- us all a favour;
- your disgraced parents a favour;
- your relatives and friends (yeah right!) a favour;
- yourself a favour;
and just get burried in the acid wasted ground you came from again...
And do it again. and again and again.........
O:)-->----<
Harry
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @Fungus
What I can see is that we both respect eachother and that we both know what we talk about. Also I like the easy way we talk about this topic. You are one of those people who understands the old way and who has no need for useless emulator-crap. Go on like this...
@PsychISilly
I hardly doubt this was you, but anyhow... How's the drug-scene doing?
@CreamiD
Guess what? You can fucking kiss my ass. EVERYBODY understood my post, you just didn't want to. You can't argue, you can't prove, you can't do jack-shit. Somehow this reminds me of Secret Lady...
@Secret Lady
7 more days to go...
*sigh*
Dumb: first of all if you really need to get your ass kissed use the services of someone else, I'm not interested, secondly, everybody can see that *you* are the one who has serious problem with understanding(TM), thirdly again you have posted another of your childish reactions, thus provoked me to answer the same way (again, your problem).
I must admit that I really can't do jack-shit about your desperate need to stay in your shallow-brained views on the C64 scene. After all you were the one who started all that ignorant narrow-minded emulator-crap talk not me! So, please, for your own sake, don't tell us that you know how it works when reality is far away from the theories presented by you. |
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psychobilly/x-RSI
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@Westbam (sorry, I can not remember your real name): I am pretty real. :) Do you think my english was so inferior? Compared to what? Not that I could really remember to what incident you are referring to, but time goes by and we all are supposed to improve our abilities over time...
Sure, we have some exceptions to this rule..hi Hartmut, hello Christian! ;)
Have a nice weekend!
Yours,
Stefan formerly known as Psychobilly |
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Westbam
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@Psychobilly: Compared to the flames you wrote 10+ years ago your english improved quite a lot. As I said, in fact you ain´t fake, this is to be respected. However, considering on how many ocassions Secret Man came up with fake accounts so far, I do not take any post for granted on here, I´d rather compare the persons to their behaviour back then. And this shouldn´t be considered an insult in any way. However you are right, a human being should certainly improve his abbilities in such a long period of time so my system might leak aswell on your subject...
Westbam / Legend |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Im sure that this is the real Psychobilly and not a fake like this Radork.
Secret Man <------ Your God |
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Radar
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Quote: Im sure that this is the real Psychobilly and not a fake like this Radork.
Secret Man <------ Your God
You wish...
@CremiD
Did you get beaten up by your 2 years old sister again, or why is it that you can't follow any regular statement concerning a part of the scene that you have never been part of?
What's next? Telling me to beat me up? Dork... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: You wish...
@CremiD
Did you get beaten up by your 2 years old sister again, or why is it that you can't follow any regular statement concerning a part of the scene that you have never been part of?
What's next? Telling me to beat me up? Dork...
Dumb: My sister is 27 this year. I just have reminded you that you were the one who started all that crap-talk about emulators. You are the one who is evidently losing nerves now, not me.
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
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You know, I might not be "elite" or "oldskool" or even "newskool" (more like "middle-aged-skool"), I might not be a very big scene personality in the manner that others here are, and it's entirely possible that I'll get some flames wafting in my direction... but I don't really care. Having just spent the past forty five minutes reading this behemoth, never-ending, multi-tasking, yet somehow amusing rag thread -- forty five mintues of my life that, sadly, I will never, ever get back -- I felt that I had to add my opinions on what I loosely refer to as "this discussion", lest that time be wasted.
First we've got Secret Dude, and honestly I don't quite get why everyone's spending so much time on him when he doesn't really need our help: he's obviously more than capable of making himself look like a complete and total ass nazi, a feat he's been achieving since post number one. All we're doing is giving him more shit to babble another stunningly inane reply to.
On the other end, we've got Radar and CreaMD, who stop yelling at each other only to simultaneously yell and throw things at the aforementioned Secret Guy. This argument is becomming repetative. You both have opinions and you both disagree with those opinions and, for some reason, you both seem to need to keep reiterating the fact that you don't agree over and over and over. Chill! You both just need to post "Okay then" to each other, and move on to more pressing subjects.
To everyone else, and to those mentioned above (exception to Señor Secret, whom I refuse to post directly to, for he is a waste), respect, yellow moons and purple horseshoes. Carry on.
This has been a public service announcement.
-Bootsy |
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CreaMD
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"only to simultaneously yell and throw things at the aforementioned Secret Guy"
I have never been in this co-op. ;-) |
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Radar
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Quote: "only to simultaneously yell and throw things at the aforementioned Secret Guy"
I have never been in this co-op. ;-)
NOT |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
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Radar: Yop thx, respect also.
All else... MWAHAHAHAHAH I neeeded this good laugh this morning :))
did that Lamers go kill himself yet? To I gotta make a call to the Fam... lol
Fungus |
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Anthrax
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Quote: Im sure that this is the real Psychobilly and not a fake like this Radork.
Secret Man <------ Your God
I don´t know if it´s the real Psychobilly and no fake but considering he bashes on you aswell, his mind is in correct shape whoever he is....
Still no prove of your bullshit in sight I might add...
-+- the will of god -+- |
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Radar
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Quote: I don´t know if it´s the real Psychobilly and no fake but considering he bashes on you aswell, his mind is in correct shape whoever he is....
Still no prove of your bullshit in sight I might add...
-+- the will of god -+-
Anthrax, don't steal his illusions on being liked by atleast his old group-farts ;-)
He has nothing else to build his stupidity on, so how could you dare? Hahaha... |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
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Sniff ... incredible ... I made Psychobilly and Hero post ! ... Anyone beat me to that :)))
Also thx for to Radar for uploading Toki. Will check it out asap.
I just scrolled up for the post and was amazed it has doubled since my last check. You guys make any newsgroup look like a kindergarten. Sigh ...
However, there is more important stuff to care about on my side currently to even start commenting on Westbam - CreaMD posts. :)
As for Secret Man, we have some insult reasons all along the line aswell -- ofcourse ... --> http://gesogen.und.gefressen.de/
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
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Westbam
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Quote:
Sniff ... incredible ... I made Psychobilly and Hero post ! ... Anyone beat me to that :)))
Also thx for to Radar for uploading Toki. Will check it out asap.
I just scrolled up for the post and was amazed it has doubled since my last check. You guys make any newsgroup look like a kindergarten. Sigh ...
However, there is more important stuff to care about on my side currently to even start commenting on Westbam - CreaMD posts. :)
As for Secret Man, we have some insult reasons all along the line aswell -- ofcourse ... --> http://gesogen.und.gefressen.de/
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
I just tried to explain you how things worked back then on our side, I did not particularly care about your opinion so there ain´t need for a comment anyhow...
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Secret Man / The real Elite
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Quote:
Sniff ... incredible ... I made Psychobilly and Hero post ! ... Anyone beat me to that :)))
Also thx for to Radar for uploading Toki. Will check it out asap.
I just scrolled up for the post and was amazed it has doubled since my last check. You guys make any newsgroup look like a kindergarten. Sigh ...
However, there is more important stuff to care about on my side currently to even start commenting on Westbam - CreaMD posts. :)
As for Secret Man, we have some insult reasons all along the line aswell -- ofcourse ... --> http://gesogen.und.gefressen.de/
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
oops.A really nice old picture.Psychobilly made it infront of my house.In the background you can see my first car.Opel Calibra.Now i drive several daimlers and one Bmw Z3.I miss these old times.I bet Psychobilly gave this picture to you,right??
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: NOT
I hope that this NOT means "YES he hasn't been". |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: oops.A really nice old picture.Psychobilly made it infront of my house.In the background you can see my first car.Opel Calibra.Now i drive several daimlers and one Bmw Z3.I miss these old times.I bet Psychobilly gave this picture to you,right??
Secret Man
And how much did you spend on your impressive matchbox collection? - Or did you leech them from Kazaa?
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 69 |
Quote: And how much did you spend on your impressive matchbox collection? - Or did you leech them from Kazaa?
Westbam/Legend
What Matchbox collection? No self-respecting toy manufacturer would ever make replicas of a Daimler or a Z3. I drive a beat up old 1985 Pontiac and I eat those things for breakfast.
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midfit
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 143 |
@Secret Man: Opel Calibra? Ok. That just said anything. Nobody with class would drive a car rusting you away just after leaving the car dealers yard. So forget it, we believe you nothing. You are just some rotten tomato... |
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Radar
Account closed
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 259 |
@C0
Nice old picture of some fucked-up jerk in front of his neighbours car. Good move from your side ;-)
@Secret Lady
I knew that you couldn't effort decent clothes, but I didn't know that it was THAT closed to ruins.
@CremieD
NOT
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: @C0
Nice old picture of some fucked-up jerk in front of his neighbours car. Good move from your side ;-)
@Secret Lady
I knew that you couldn't effort decent clothes, but I didn't know that it was THAT closed to ruins.
@CremieD
NOT
@Dumb :-) |
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Secret Man / The real Elite
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 137 |
Radork:Clothes designed by HEAD,Price 500 Euro.Any Question?
Secret Man <---Design Award 2004 |
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drake
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 207 |
hmm, somehow secret man managed to wake up the neanderthaler-feelings in some sceners minds :)
guys, this is a discussion about nothing, this doesn't make any sense and has even nothing to do with flameswars or whatsoever had to do with past or present in the commodore scene... who cares anyway to be an elite-scener?
westbam? radar? secret man?
the last postings were about how big the car was, about the money and about what everybody wears. only 1 word to say about: CHILDISH! i don't care about anybodies worse/great english but if the postings are this level, please make a forum yourself and post there your stupid nasty 'ragging' flamewars.
@creamd: how about stop this thread and drink some vodka on forever 5?
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Drake, if we get chance I'm in ;-). Anyway, how come Exile had erased his registration in Forever visitors list did anything went wrong with his plans? |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 631 |
rotflmaO!!! |
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drake
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 207 |
creamd:
yep. as his agenda was already full (as usual) there was no time for him to be there again..we're thinking of visiting floppy 2004 but unfortunately i will not be able to go as i already took my free days in march and some free days to organize ps-party 2004. i will travel by bus (20hrs) or train together with a good friend of me. ;-) so meet you there. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: creamd:
yep. as his agenda was already full (as usual) there was no time for him to be there again..we're thinking of visiting floppy 2004 but unfortunately i will not be able to go as i already took my free days in march and some free days to organize ps-party 2004. i will travel by bus (20hrs) or train together with a good friend of me. ;-) so meet you there.
Drake: Buss travel. That reminds me my trip to X'01 ;-) See you at the place then and a have a nice bustrip. ;-) |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1666 |
This thread will be closed soon. Read the 'News & Comments' on the CSDb frontpage for more details. |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: This thread will be closed soon. Read the 'News & Comments' on the CSDb frontpage for more details.
Everyone on here tried to contribute in more or less senseful discussion in the ment threads apart from The Secret Man.
However, I do admit that sometimes the discussions became kind of harsh. I think this is normal and might happen considering different points of views meet up to each other.
Flames of this kind have always been part of the pirate scene. I clearly want to point out that I do not tolerate jerks like The Secret Man either that are just up to spoil the functionality of the whole (great) idea of this forum.
But on the other hand, I have always been promoting free speech even if this leads into some arguement some people propably wouldn´t like. But that has to be accepted if it won´t exaggerate I guess.
But if it´s the decision of the Forum Staff on here that users have to be careful what they right or in which way they write in order to avoid censorship, it´s good bye from my side.
This is not the way things should be threatened I think. If threads like the ones Secret Man has mainly built up would take over hand, I´d totally agree but fact is that these kind of flames are only a very small part of the whole board, I cannot see any problems so far. Considering the fact that he spoils the database would lead me to the conclusion to kick him off the board and keep him kick banned.
I for myself have been Co-SysOp on some of the biggest US Boards (Second To None, Telephone Anarchy, Gates of Asgaard etc.) and I never censored, deleted or cut a conversation for such a childish reason up to now.
As I said, a total war ground is of nobodies intention but as I said before, flames have always been part of the scene and it sometimes happens that discussions turn into flames, agreed. BUT, the flames I read on here up to now are more like kindergarden and no problem whatsoever.
This statement is ment as a serious point to discuss about, before closing threads or come up with rules how to behave. And, as I said it should lead into a discussion which means I *DO* accept different points of views as long as my point of view is accepted aswell...
Yours Westbam / Ex- Legend / Paradox / Razor 1911 |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: This thread will be closed soon. Read the 'News & Comments' on the CSDb frontpage for more details.
Good move. And while you are at it,you might also maybe lock Secret Man too, too many people think it's funny to play with him. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1831 |
And now I even made it to the csdb frontpage ... you morons !!!
You ruined my 1 post per year average, bored me off with non-sense craptalk and don't even have the guts anymore for real ragging --- whatever that used to be ...
... maybe because the basis for it is gone ... why not spend ALL the time you spend here and on "CHILDISH" BBS'es with further exploring the possibilities of the computer you trashed long ago ???
For THAT you people don't seem to have the time ... spending some 2-3 hours on reading up and posting don't appear to be a problem though.
90% of the posters here are worse than Deekay --- and that means SOMETHING :)
@Perff:
Close this thing right along with some accounts ... even mine if you feel bothered by me ---> just want to state that I never started such crap and people around know my opinion about forums anyhow. Geeks like these come and go luckily though ... in 2 months you forget about them until 2020 AD Secret Man poops up again ... lol
Anyone else who wants to catch my real-life bitch comments may msg me on IRC.
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
The best thing about closing these threads is that I don't have to wait so long until they're loaded, because I kept trying to keep up with the latest contributions to them :)
But seriously: I think enough is enough. Sure there were also a lot of valid points made, but those discussions could be continued in a new, less-convulted thread.
Westbam, as far as the flaming goes (and I'm talking the 'war' between you guys & Secret Man here): I think you should understand that csdb is *not* part of the pirate scene, hence different rules apply here. And I think Perff is being very nice, giving everybody an additional 2 days for final statements instead of just closing the whole shebang down right away.
Now if he really would go further, trying to censor posts and putting down strict rules, then yes, we might have something to be worried about, but I doubt he will: he has shown to be very much in favor of 'personal freedom' in the past, like in the transparant votes situation (making it possible for people to give low ratings anonymously).
I for one think it would be a shame if you left just because the guys behind csdb act different than you have done in the past, as I value your comments very much, and you've proven to be able to have a good clean discussion (which is pretty amazing on any forum). But I do agree with the actions Perff took, and also feel that Secret Man
should be banned. Which, come to think of it, is a form of censorship in itself :) |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: The best thing about closing these threads is that I don't have to wait so long until they're loaded, because I kept trying to keep up with the latest contributions to them :)
But seriously: I think enough is enough. Sure there were also a lot of valid points made, but those discussions could be continued in a new, less-convulted thread.
Westbam, as far as the flaming goes (and I'm talking the 'war' between you guys & Secret Man here): I think you should understand that csdb is *not* part of the pirate scene, hence different rules apply here. And I think Perff is being very nice, giving everybody an additional 2 days for final statements instead of just closing the whole shebang down right away.
Now if he really would go further, trying to censor posts and putting down strict rules, then yes, we might have something to be worried about, but I doubt he will: he has shown to be very much in favor of 'personal freedom' in the past, like in the transparant votes situation (making it possible for people to give low ratings anonymously).
I for one think it would be a shame if you left just because the guys behind csdb act different than you have done in the past, as I value your comments very much, and you've proven to be able to have a good clean discussion (which is pretty amazing on any forum). But I do agree with the actions Perff took, and also feel that Secret Man
should be banned. Which, come to think of it, is a form of censorship in itself :)
I agree with you on almost every aspect to be exact. I might also add I already had a conversation with Perf because of my post. We both have almost the same opinion on the subject though we would handle things different but that is ok I would say..
And we came to a conclusion we both accept I think. However, this conclusion does not effect Secret Mans presence on here right now. I think that Perf gave him a fair chance to get his act together.
But, on one topic I do disagree because I think if you build up something like this forum for and about the pirate scene you cannot just cut certain aspects out of it. It´s either the whole deal or no deal...
And to get this straight, I did not intend to bash on Secret Man in the first place, hence considering the wars back then I didn´t do anything at all. But I won´t let him get away for free spreading all these false infos about the scene and people inside the scene (e.g. COMPLEX!)...
Yours, Westbam.
But this brings me to another topic I thought about, how about putting another remark to the listed groups in order to add their Bulletin Board Systems? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I'm not saying we should disregard the pirate scene, but dude, you gotta remember: csdb is about much more than that. And you can't expect people here to follow the same rules you guys did 15 years ago :) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Well, don't think that he is going to start a big censorship.
but some nig*a words had no need and well, basicly I can and do agree on what The Dark Judge says (which suprises once again me, who ever digged the weird rumour up that he and me do disagree :).
So far,
all the best!
Bye!
Joerg |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: I'm not saying we should disregard the pirate scene, but dude, you gotta remember: csdb is about much more than that. And you can't expect people here to follow the same rules you guys did 15 years ago :)
Sorry? In case you forgot, pirating software is illegal, we didn´t follow any rules or laws.
And talking about self claimed rules inside the scene, forget it! It never worked, will never work... You´ll always have someone appear to go on some other streak. Question then is, how to react...
Now in this case, spoiling the database would lead me into deleting the guy right away without any discussion. Perf decided to give him a chance, that´s ok... On the other hand, his constant mouthing about how big of a scener he is / was needs to be answered tragically on the same level, i.e. flames, as he obviously doesn´t understand any other language.
I did not say that this forum could only be a part of the scene with all kinds of dumb flames all over the place, no!
But I don´t see a problem with some flaming threads here and there. Besides, these three discussed threads received the most posts in the last weeks by FAR! These three flames were the reason for several old school pirates to get vailidated on here in the last few weeks...
Westbam. |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
I do agree : so lets rag on Powerplant,Solar,Psycho,pudwerx,richie,bod...etc and se if we can get them on. hehe
Hero/ILLUSION
The will of Bod
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Sorry? In case you forgot, pirating software is illegal, we didn´t follow any rules or laws.
And talking about self claimed rules inside the scene, forget it! It never worked, will never work... You´ll always have someone appear to go on some other streak. Question then is, how to react...
Now in this case, spoiling the database would lead me into deleting the guy right away without any discussion. Perf decided to give him a chance, that´s ok... On the other hand, his constant mouthing about how big of a scener he is / was needs to be answered tragically on the same level, i.e. flames, as he obviously doesn´t understand any other language.
I did not say that this forum could only be a part of the scene with all kinds of dumb flames all over the place, no!
But I don´t see a problem with some flaming threads here and there. Besides, these three discussed threads received the most posts in the last weeks by FAR! These three flames were the reason for several old school pirates to get vailidated on here in the last few weeks...
Westbam.
Sure you guys had rules: like no recracking etc., just like 'we' in the demoscene had unwritten rules (no code-ripping). And if somebody broke the rules on boards they were flamed, or deleted like you said. But these are different times, and although such actions might seem logical to you & the old war-horses, they may not be to those that weren't part of your inner circle back then. Which is 90% of the people here.
That's all I want to say, I don't condemn your methods, god knows I've encountered problems in that area myself, expecting 'new-comers' to think the way I did, only go be branded a dinosaur. And maybe that's what you & I are, dinosaurs, but that doesn't mean we can just stomp on the rest :)
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Oxbow
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 50 |
An occasional rag thread is fun to read. And for some reason it always triggers some special commitment by which the scene thrives.
I agree with TDJ that CSDB should not be put at risk. Therefor this database should be secured by making back-ups on a regular basis. If the administrators, ehrr, sys-ops ;) of this fora are unable to (which I doubt) then drop me a line, I am willing to assist.
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midfit
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 143 |
... what is not fine is the manipulation of the CSDb in a way which is getting ridiculous.(Hello Secret Man) Just check the entry of Street Tuff / TRSI ... |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1666 |
About the back-ups of CSDb.
I think that where CSDb is hosted they do regular backup's. Actually I don't know the details, but if I know them right they know what they are doing.
Besides that we store all (almost) changed made to the records in CSDb, so if someone fucks stuff up we can undo it.
Hope that clears up a thing or two. :)
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Street Tuff
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 88 |
@secretman
this is not funny anymore. i just got the affirmation that
you messed around with my csdb entry.
show up at breakpoint 2004 and i swear it's not only me
that will beat your arsé up! |
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Anthrax
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 37 |
The Dark Judge:
I agree that there were some rules of course but when you broke these rules (e.g. pretending to be in a group you aren´t) you had to face total elimination in the subboards. Well, and that is exactly what Secret Man feels right now. Being a total pathetic retard nobody takes serious and everybody wants to get rid of...
Now this loser can´t handle the stuff he brought up anymore and starts to edit the database, great deal! He did it several times and he just got pranked doing it again. He should be deleted right away...
Anthrax / Legend
And don´t bother threatening me to beat me up Secret Lamer, you´re a laugh already anyhow... |
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
DELETE!!!! thats the word!
Guess he have told them he would beat them up if they do so!
hahahahaha....
Just wondering if Secret Man is Skinhead?? they got the same addy!! well...well.... i dont care!
Harry
Hero/ILLUSION
beat me up beat me up beat me up beat me up beat me up
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Secret Man / The real Elite
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 137 |
Street Tuffy:Why should i do that?? I bet that Westbam did this shit
or this gaythrax |
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midfit
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 143 |
Yeah. Westbam has nothing else to do than running through this database and ruining the entire work of others. Do you think thats what Legend stands for? You little foolish nerd can blame it on others. People know the truth. You manipulated the votes, facts and texts on several entries of people telling you the truth here within this forum. You have neither honor in your words, nor in your acting. You are just one fucking psychopath who has too much time, most probably because you are suffering under serious social problems. Otherwise somebody couldn't declare why you need to hide behind group affils you will never have on your career sheet. Talking about gayness : We know that you put that gay picture into Steet Tuff's record, didn't you!?
@Admins: One favor.. Delete this moron! |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1666 |
I just want to announce that Secret Man has now officially been kicked from CSDb!!!
I will keep a strong eye on all new signups (I get an sms right away) and I have also checked if he might have some double accounts.
If anyone think they see him inhere anyway let me know.
/CSDb Admin |
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tnm96
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 4 |
Quote: oops.A really nice old picture.Psychobilly made it infront of my house.In the background you can see my first car.Opel Calibra.Now i drive several daimlers and one Bmw Z3.I miss these old times.I bet Psychobilly gave this picture to you,right??
Secret Man
Du bist ein schwules stück Scheiße... Fotze.. |
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tnm96
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 4 |
Quote: Radork:Clothes designed by HEAD,Price 500 Euro.Any Question?
Secret Man <---Design Award 2004
Nen drecks Sozi empfänger Joggin Anzug von Lidl du dreckige Fickhure.. Ich glaube ich stech dich ab du Dreckstürke.. |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: Street Tuffy:Why should i do that?? I bet that Westbam did this shit
or this gaythrax
Just to get one thing straight homo, I ain´t the person running his mouth on this forum claiming I´m Mr. Superhero of Complex. I ain´t the person that discredits other people´s work by spreading false rumours. And I ain´t the person for sure that spoils other people´s entries in the database. That is *YOU*, you dumb ass retard loser!
I for myself am getting really pissed off and in case you won´t shut your mouth immediately I´ll be forced to really show you what it does mean to be totally hummiliated in public on a sub board my dear friend!
Until now I kept myself calmed down but now you are starting to reach a certain level that will make me unleash the dragon on yours and have your sorry existance ruined totally...
Now there´s one choice you´ve left, either come up with some proves for your constant bullshit or keep your dumb mouth shut entirely as I will for sure bash your sorry ass all through the board. I hope this message had been given in a language you are able to understand you molested little child!
Westbam / Legend #64
p.s. @The Dark Judge: Now this is exactly what I ment talking about rules & behave towards each other. That faggot doesn´t get the clue at all. He keeps on spoiling the database and he keeps on talking crap. I ain´t taking anymore shit from this loser and that is a promise! This fucking retard is accusing me in public spoiling the database? That is enough for me. If he dares to open his dumb mouth one more time I´m gunna make sure that either he´ll be kicked from the board or I´ll stop making him drop by on here in a second... |
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Secret Man / Germanys God
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 2 |
Perffy Baby:I have more accounts as you think.
Westlame:Come on dude,lick my ass.
Secret Man <---------Follow the God |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 597 |
what is exactly the point of all this secret man?
damn, you definitely need to smoke some pot more often, chill out dude! |
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Quote: Perffy Baby:I have more accounts as you think.
Westlame:Come on dude,lick my ass.
Secret Man <---------Follow the God
Appearantly you are very addicted into butt licking. God knows how many times you had to lick your father´s butt to make him steal (unemployed loser like your daddy won´t be able to afford one anyhow) a Commodore C64 in the local radio shack for you... Actually he didn´t have to force you to lick his balls as you liked that anyhow. Sorry, this ain´t my type of game!
However, by logging onto this system again and spoiling the database once again you drove yourself into deep shit my dear friend. I can give you a promise straight up my dear friend, if I ever get the slightest chance to put my hands on you, I´ll kick your ass left and right cry baby!
In the meantime I´m stucked using my connections to make your life as horrible as possible. Actions have already been ordered against you...
Good night you gay loser! |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1831 |
ROTFL (and a special mega-ROTFL @tnm --- Markus, du bist krank :) )
PARSON / LEGEND
oops
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Hero
Registered: Dec 2003
Posts: 90 |
bye bye..... i will not miss you!
Harry
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Westbam
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 192 |
Well, I guess we will have to stick with his bullshit for another while...
Cunt(=)Zer0
(oops, but considering the recently shown photos, it should be still correct....) |
