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2002-10-18 11:03
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
10 rasterline (or less) musiceditors?

What others there are, besides John Player? Would be interested to check out.
 
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2002-10-21 12:48
St0fF

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 40
Try Acidtracker - no good for 4k's, but average rastertime of about $f - the problem is the musician, not the player. Sum table-stuff can't be more optimized. Rastertime depends on how much of the capabilities of the player is used. f.e.: don't use one Voice - 3 RL less on all frames, don't use filters: another line less ... just go thru the instrument-play-c0de and find out what may be skipped, then just don't use it.
Anyhow, so far for acidtracker ... I would prefer a fast player with a real hard-restart and functionality that makes it sound right. If you c0de what you wrote, you'll have heavy clicking and all this stuff that doesn't need 2 B. But go on c0ding, I'm looking forward on it...

P.S.: I got a tune from PRI or Syndrom, made with DMC6, which has always between $8-$a rasterlines ...
2002-10-21 13:23
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468
Also, didn't The Syndrom do Microtracker for this sort of thing too? I think there might of been a Falco Paul low raster use player.
2002-10-21 14:30
St0fF

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 40
So I guess nobody ever tried out acidtracker ... does any of the other trackers have a complete online help inside? Well, $d000-$e000 was empty, so AcidTracker has all of it. I made it to get rid of the bad habits of DMC5 - if we have a filter for 3 voices, well, then let's use it on any of them whenever needed. You want to switch off a voice? Have an instrument that finishes after a certain amount of arpeggio-steps? Ever had the choice, in which direction a vibrato starts? AcidTracker can do all of that! Whatever, just try it out, maybe the layout somehow reminds of dmc5, but the player is much faster and can do much more - find a buggy version @ www.c64-resource.de, the final fix is on my workdisc, still needs sum more bugfixes, but i worked with it since 1999. Just contact me ...
2002-10-21 14:31
St0fF

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 40
oops, replied to the wrong window ...
2002-10-22 16:36
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980
Ah i just remembered that HCL coded such a player, too. It was used in most parts of Royal Arte. Also there is DMC 6 by Syndrom. His microtracker has the disadvantage that it must be edited in an assembler and that it eats up too much memory.
2002-11-14 23:12
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
Ah, to revive this thread, I now got Ninjatracker (V1.02) down to 8 rasterlines with step-programming and quite proper hardrestart (Gate off, SR $ff) intact.

Any place where I can get this DMC6? Sounds interesting to check out.
2002-11-15 11:24
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468
DMC6 was TIA members only and extremely hard to get. I heard of some mate getting it but no idea. I have never found this exclusive tool.
2002-11-15 15:06
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
Can you name some productions using this player? I tried INC $D020/DEC $D020 on some random prods. where music was done by Syndrom but they seemed to take quite a lot of rastertime :)
2002-11-15 19:07
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980
Afair, the old tune "Dumpbass", first released together with some version of the TIA zakplayer and used just recently in Return from Oblivion, was composed in DMC 6. Just check out the TIA zakplayer release disks.
2002-11-16 01:21
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
Yeah, nice looking routine. It just peaks fairly high in rastertime :)
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