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2011-11-04 06:38
Cobrakid

Registered: Oct 2011
Posts: 23
Ghouls Assembly Course

Ghoul's Maskinkode Kursus (danish assembly course) has some kind of copy protection on disk 4 and 5 which unfortunately doesn't work with emulators (at least not the two I have tried out).

I have asked the author if he has a non-protected edition but he hasn't. A lot of us don't have a real C64 any longer and I would really like to view the whole course so if anyone can crack/remove the protection that would be really nice. I am also very positive that the author doesn't mind after all these years :-)

// COBRAKiD
 
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2011-11-06 08:07
FATFrost
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Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211
Would it be hard to translate into english at all?
2011-11-06 11:48
TWW

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 541
Probably not. Danish is very simmilar to norwegian in written form. The pronounsation however is very different.


I can take a look if I get some time. I guess Codebase would be the right place for it!?
2011-11-06 12:05
Cobrakid

Registered: Oct 2011
Posts: 23
If anyone would provide me with the text/lessons/assembler files I could do a translation too (I am a dane).
I would love to see this translated as I really think it is good (at least for novices like me).
2011-11-06 12:39
FATFrost
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Thanks, i remember cyberbrain telling me about this course back in 94...
2011-11-06 20:47
ghoul

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 4
Hehe, j0x, I like the fact that you cracked my awesome über password protection in a matter of hours. :) As you state elsewhere, the program expects to find a disk error on track 36. Back in the days, no copy program that I could find was able to properly copy that error and so it seemed a reasonable protection mechanism - unless of course you completely bypass the check by JMPing to the routine that handles password input. :)

By the way, the program does not hold a copy of the correct password in memory. Nor does it attempt to compare the user-input text to anything. It merely uses a "garbage in, garbage out" routine (EOR).
2011-11-07 07:56
j0x

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
Heh, no, I didn't crack your password algorithm, although, as far as I could see, it was only a one-pass EOR with a 16-byte key :)

Given that many text screens contain a large amount of spaces, the key is actually repeated many times in the program, albeit in a form where it's EORed with $20.

BTW, did you at any point consider that perhaps your protection was just a tiny little bit over the top? :D
2011-11-07 13:12
Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 459
Quote: Hehe, j0x, I like the fact that you cracked my awesome über password protection in a matter of hours. :) As you state elsewhere, the program expects to find a disk error on track 36. Back in the days, no copy program that I could find was able to properly copy that error and so it seemed a reasonable protection mechanism - unless of course you completely bypass the check by JMPing to the routine that handles password input. :)

By the way, the program does not hold a copy of the correct password in memory. Nor does it attempt to compare the user-input text to anything. It merely uses a "garbage in, garbage out" routine (EOR).


Hi Ghoul... Nice to see you here
2011-11-07 19:32
ghoul

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 4
Over the top? Nah. :) The EOR part was simple to imlement. However, since I didn't know jack shit about using the disk drive from assembler language, I had to resort to BASIC to 1) create the error on track 36 and 2) check for the presence of that error. I then used a compiler on that, which added a level of obfuscation although easy to bypass, as you have demonstrated.

In any case I just wanted to protect my work a little bit, since I only charged the equivalent of 9 to 10 USD. And you have no idea how many hours went by doing text, examples, exercises etc. Despite the hard work I still had fun doing it, though.

Hi Mason. I remember you from old days. :)
2011-11-08 09:21
j0x

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
Well, the compiled basic was probably slightly harder to crack than a straight-forward machine code implementation would have been.

I can imagine how many hours you spent on it! Do you remember how many copies you sold in total?
2011-11-08 16:42
ghoul

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 4
Far too few. Less than 50.
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