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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010 Posts: 127 |
About the origins of c64 demoscene
It almost feels to me that C64 demoscene is somewhat younger than the Amiga demoscene. Would that be (historically) correct thing to say? Not by much, but kinda couple of years.
Many of the screens and effects often seen on C64 seem to have done earlier on the Amiga. (like 1986 vs. 1988) - This doesn't surprise me, since Copper makes raster programming so much more pleasant. But C64 setup was still a pretty usable in late 1980s, and much cheaper too, so I wonder if the C64 demoscene did start by trying to imitate stuff seen on Amiga? I mean just a random example of a 1986 Amiga intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg96m76o7JA |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007 Posts: 622 |
Yeah, I’d definitely agree that it felt like one scene. Why else would demo coders gladly be members of groups also involved in cracking? I can remember a time when it seemed that everyone deep into the demoscene was declaring “no games please!” and such with their contacts. That’s about as disjoint as the two became at the time. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 2940 |
Quoting RaistlinI can remember a time when it seemed that everyone deep into the demoscene was declaring “no games please!” and such with their contacts. That’s about as disjoint as the two became at the time. Wonder whether the "other side" also started to feel so strongly at some point.
Unfortunately, many artefacts of the olden days seem lost.
I'd like to have more hard proof that people at copy parties copied ALL the cool stuff they could get their hands on, and that this included stand-alone demos not linked with a cracked game (but possibly still on the same disk, together with a number of cracks). |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021 Posts: 178 |
"The demo scene emanates from the cracking scene."
@Krill:
Why do you seem to have such a burning desire to disprove this? What's the point? And even if there was a point, how would you do that? Disprove it? This has been retold by quite a number of personal experiences (mine included) and a few research papers.
BTW teenagers shouting profanities on conference calls made possible by US supplied cards was also quite a standard part of the scene. Does that bother you also? |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003 Posts: 727 |
Wow, that was a strong reaction :) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021 Posts: 178 |
What drives me to conclusion that conventional wisdom repeated so many times represented by the sentence "The demo scene emanates from the cracking scene" is fully true, or anyway true enough from today's perspective that it doesn't really warrant further investigation efforts is this:
1) Outside of copyparties (decide for yourself why they were called COPYparties), the only channel of propagation for C64 demos was the SWAPPER NETWORK. In other words, a network of swappers had to be pre-established in order for demos to be spread. This network was established for swapping of cracks. In this regard, the description "The demo scene emanates from cracking scene" works perfectly.
2) Why do you think these copyparties were prominent in Denmark and especially in Netherlands and not so much in Germany (where the scene had the strongest numbers)? My guess is because of government crackdown on piracy. Which was prominent in Germany, but not in Netherlands. So what's closest to Germany but not under German government's jurisdiction? Aha. Is it so hard to imagine that even people who were never into cracking and only into demo making, still enjoyed the allure, the fame, the notoriety of being in cracker groups, being part of the subculture. That's the scene, and that's why when talking about the scene roots "The demo scene emanates from cracking scene" seems unquestionable to me.
Therefore, I can't think of a better explanation than "The demo scene emanates from cracking scene", and for the life of me cannot understand the urge, the need to disprove this. |
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AüMTRöN
Registered: Sep 2003 Posts: 44 |
Demo scene may well have come from cracking scene, but anyway...
Demo scene > cracking scene.
I'll get me coat. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11290 |
That escalated quickly |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009 Posts: 4694 |
Quote: Demo scene may well have come from cracking scene, but anyway...
Demo scene > cracking scene.
I'll get me coat.
They are hopelessly intertwined. :) I think this paper is pretty interesting and brings light on why we can't agree here: http://widerscreen.fi/numerot/2014-1-2/crackers-became-us-demos..
"The pirate–demoscene split illustrates the complex mechanisms of how a community is born out of another, establishes its own practices and repurposes the existing ones. Having said that, it is also evident as to how such a separation is not a binary one: there have been links between the two communities as long as they have existed, and by time divergence can even turn back into convergence. Moreover, the fluidity of sceners’ identities lets willing members cross the border between different cliques and generations, and thus identify with more than just one group." |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002 Posts: 2940 |
Quoting HCLWow, that was a strong reaction :) Quoting chatGPZThat escalated quickly Oh, Fourgy? He does that all the time. =) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 11290 |
Just to stir the pot a bit: i'd like to see proof that the demoscene did NOT originate on compunet. |
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