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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Release id #158304 : Heil Hitler
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Moving the comments to the discussion soon.
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Submitted by Seven [PM] on 23 August 2017
So let me get that right. You're on the forefront deleting "cracks" in the database, but distributing nazi propaganda is part of the scene?
How about you put that shit on your beloved boards and remove it here then.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Well. It's part of the scene history, just as all other disturbing shit. I bet you can find countries where nudes and porn are banned - should we delete all that too? Disclaimer: germans - don't download this. You probably know your own laws. Just like you shouldn't google "Heil Hitler" etc in Germany.
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Submitted by fieserWolF [PM] on 23 August 2017
Stop distributing this shit. Also, illegal to have this on your computer or phone in Germany |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
Quoting SevenSomebody seems to think that CSDb has existed since 1986 and can't tell when a release has been added to a database just recently.
Good talk.
let's see what i wrote..
Quote:a release.. from 1986... HAHAHAHA. what took you over 30 years to complain?
nope, nothing there that says csdb existed 30 years ago?
so because it was uploaded recently, that is your piss weak excuse for censorship? are you kidding?
if you don't like it, leave. why should we have to put up with censorship such as this? because you and that other fascist are offended? get real. |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
These are part of the C64 Scene so nothing should be deleted, and I remark n o t h i n g |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
Quote: word! Hiding Nazi propaganda wont help avoiding the rise of neo-nazis. Only education, history and removal of poverty and misery will.
Right. Whatever's forbidden is more alluring. Can even remember some teachers' kneejerk reactions from school when a kid happened to draw a swastika, rational & calm approach to educate why that's nothing to idolize would've likely worked better. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447 |
tldr: someone did a bad taste demo 30 years ago and it got added to the db now. So what? JackAsser is right.
There are many unfortunate events in the past, but they are freely discussed in historical texts. Also there are some c-64 productions that are immature, ignorant and in bad taste. Very few productions that I've seen I'd consider hateful. They also exist here for historical reference. What would be the point of hiding/denying their existence? Surely no-one sane, that sees 30 year demo is going to go rampant just because of a demo? I really worry about someone that would be willing to kill just for an idea that they read from a 30 year old demo. Why did not the ww2 history documentary trigger this action? or perhaps a thousand or two thousand year old writing?
Meaning is an observer effect. Nowadays people get offended about everything and immediately blame others for what they feel. That is just illogical and wrong. Some choose to accept an alternative reality or an ideological bubble and remain resentful toward everyone else as they themselves are unable to deal with the reality.
Please, accept the past and present in all its rawness and ugliness and life of everyone will be much easier. Read history and learn about all the mistakes made and accept that they really did happen, and now that we have learned from them, we may avoid the mistake in the future.
But, if this really is about obeying the law, then I suppose that the laws of the country that has the servers, or that of the EU, apply? |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Quote:Surely no-one sane (...) would be willing to kill just for an idea that they read from (...) a thousand or two thousand year old writing?
Pardon me for quoting in such a barbaric way, but I'd like to point out that the above happens all the time. But censorship isn't the answer to that problem either.
Many people have a strong instinct to try to erase ideas that they perceive as immoral. The civil way to go about it is to leave the ideas out in the open, and counter them with arguments. A constructive way forward could be to add a comment on the release, with a link to some sensible online anti-nazism resource. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
I'd just let it go, I can't download the "demo" in question, but I suspect it was made by a couple of teens trying to shock people, well, they managed it after 31 years, hurray!
Things like these are a part of scene history, no matter where you stand politics/religion-wise. Just look at it, downvote if you wish and move on, adding comments only serves to attract more attention. |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Welcome to the Barbara Streisand effect. :D
On a more serious note, I agree with the people that think it should stay. CSDb is like a history book of C64 demo productions, and whether you like this one or not (to stress: I do not) it's part of C64 history.
Also, different people feel offended by different things. If we now would give in to your request to remove it, what's next? Where do we set the boundaries? Are we going to have to change all scrolltext of demos that say "Hi boys and girls" to a gender-neutral version?
This is a preservation site, with all the nice things and alas also the not so nice things. My advice, suck it up, deal with it. By drawing attention to this mediocre piece of code you only sparked a conversation I wished I never had to witness on CSDb. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
Huh? The moment I click the link I download the screenshot on my computer. Why hide the download?
Anyway, Heil Trump! |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Quote: Huh? The moment I click the link I download the screenshot on my computer. Why hide the download?
Anyway, Heil Trump!
Hedning has disabled/hidden the download for now until he and the other admins have decided how to deal with this stuff. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
The .prg is hidden, the screenshot is not and now it's on my computer. Nazi clickbait is the new black. |
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