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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Release id #236084 : Yes, you are all wrong
But is it the "cultural marxism" what this prod refers to?
My understanding is that it's a actually an American conspiracy theory. From Wikipedia:
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The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness.
The conspiracy theory posits that there is an ongoing and intentional academic and intellectual effort to subvert Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with culturally liberal values.
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 500 |
Quote:And also social media companies (trying to algorithmically match people to maximize engagement) have played part in this increased polarization. But there's also the fact how text-based communication is super-limited and even simple tongue-in-the-cheek jokes are being misinterpreted in completely wrong way. (it's very visible sometimes on IRC when people are getting f'ed up but then we have a party/meeting and it's alles gut again)
It doesn't help to call people idiots maybe. Even though the "information space" some folks have been in, has been poisoned systematically, it doesn't mean that they are stupid. Beliefs and world views are highly context-dependent. If you call people stupid, that just puts up their defenses and then nothing gets through.
@mankeli: To say it in social media terms: +1 ;-) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Quoting mankeliconspiracy theory Implying that it's untrue? |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote: Quoting mankeli
conspiracy theory
Implying that it's untrue?
What? The "cultural marxism"?
It's as true as the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
Wait, this production is NOT meant as tongue-in-cheek satire and to be taken at face value? :-O |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote: Wait, this production is NOT meant as tongue-in-cheek satire and to be taken at face value? :-O
Oh yes. The author is dead serious about it all. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3202 |
The whole compo is about making fun of jetan taking this matters too seriously. The others that prefer to live happily just laugh about it. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Wait, this production is NOT meant as tongue-in-cheek satire and to be taken at face value? :-O
Depends on whether or not you believe in "The Death of the Author" literary theory. :) |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 214 |
Not sure that Barthes is especially relevant here.
mankeli's last post should probably be the last word on all of this. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Mankeli was (I think) commenting / adding his thoughts on top of my point about moral panic. I didn't notice any objection against free will to interpret the art, nor disagreeing with me in any point. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@CreaMD : I think what Mibri wanted to say when he said "Not sure that Barthes is especially relevant here", and I'm only guessing here, is that "The Death of the Author" is about not evaluating an art piece on the merit of the author's biography (past life) or persona. And that would work if jetan churned out a cartoon about a family of llamas or something. In other words - the politics of the author don't matter for evaluating his (non-political) art. But the art in question is itself political, the words "C-19, BLM, Ukrainian flag, and CO2" were explicitly inserted in the artpiece itself. They were not extracted from the artist's past rants. It would be, for example, like evaluating a Nazi propaganda poster's caricature of a Jew on its own merit, disregarding the "Juden raus" written on top. Or evaluating the portrait of Che on merit of his haircut, disregarding the five pointed star on his beret. So that's why Mibri wrote what he wrote. I think. Or at least this is my (free) interpretation. |
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