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angelo
Registered: Jul 2024
Posts: 13 |
Howdy
Hi there. It's my first post here, so lemme introduce myself. I'm angelo, or æn.d͡ʒə.loʊ, or unj, a founder of KSKPD, the group behind polish unesco application.
I'm in process of researching some early-computing stuff, including an idea planted by @Krill and @bitfat, that the default narrative of "In the beginning it was a cracker scene, that developed into demoscene later because $REASONS" might be worth challenging.
I might be asking in various sub-forums questions around data on this site, but while I used to be a part of demoscene as a coder (1995+), I also owned PC exclusively since my first computer in like 1990. I skipped 8bit phase completely, so please bare with me, if the questions sound obvious or straight-up outrageously naive :) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Oh yeah? What about when Moses CRACKED the tablets? |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 248 |
All this stuff brought up a zillion of memories, oof my head, and there is one particular detail that is to consider about "first rasterbars on Amiga": while the Amiga 1000 (!) was introduced in 1985, it would *hardly* be the beginning of the great "Amiga Era", because: a complete system would set you back $3500 in todays money, affordable maybe, if you are a rich kid. But the Amiga 500 wasn't out until spring of 1987 and it would also take a year or two until it had a real lift-off, which i personally remember around 1988, peaking in 1989 - thats actually when i got the one i still have, and i had to buy it second hand.
Back in the days, those systems (Computer, Drive, Monitor) were as expensive as your hardcore gaming rig today. So, yes, systems were available as per market introduction, but sold unit numbers for relevant buildup of user numbers/hunger for software always had a little delay (in months). |
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angelo
Registered: Jul 2024
Posts: 13 |
Quoting Pex Mahoney TufvessonI don't think there was a cracking scene prior this demo from 1972: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGntYNTSQM
Imho, I think there is a bigger picture somewhere that we need to look for before coming to conclusions on the origin of the demo scene. / Pex
that is an interesting example, i didn't know this one. thanks! |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Quote:Quoting Pex Mahoney Tufvesson
I don't think there was a cracking scene prior this demo from 1972: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naGntYNTSQM
Imho, I think there is a bigger picture somewhere that we need to look for before coming to conclusions on the origin of the demo scene. / Pex
that is an interesting example, i didn't know this one. thanks!
And this has 0 relevance for the subject at hand.
There are literally hundreds of these old artifacts, I love them, I've read and watched everything there is about them. Search for Sunderland, Vanderbeek, Knowlton, Whitney, Cuba, just to name a few authors.
However, as I sad, totally irrelevant for your subject. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Commercially-made early demos like Dancing Demon (1979) or (supposedly) Quelle Demo (1985) also shouldn't be considered - but the legendary Kaufhaus Demo (1986) probably should. =) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4696 |
Quote: that is unfortunately exactly the very paper I was referring to above :)
I don't say it's not interesting. It is very interesting, BUT: the paper says:
Quote:Most of the authors who have written on the topic were not part of the original scene themselves, so they have had to rely on second-hand sources where conflicting details have already been left out. My aim in this paper is to trace the origins of the story and offer a new perspective to the various reasons that led to the gradual separation of the two scenes.
So sure, this paper is better in a sense it relies on first-hand sources. It's based tho on few (6, s-i-x) interviews, and it's hard to claim the group is representative in any statistical sense, and claiming that you can draw conclusions from 6 sources is in my humble opinion a bold move.
Oh. Interviews, yes, but also a lot of other researchers work, see the literature list. |
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angelo
Registered: Jul 2024
Posts: 13 |
Quoting hedningsee the literature list.
Maybe I'm too stuck in my opinion, but what exactly should catch my eye on the literature list? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3170 |
Quote: Oh yeah? What about when Moses CRACKED the tablets?
Tales of imaginary characters from fantasy stories don't count as historical events. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Quote:Tales of imaginary characters from fantasy stories don't count as historical events.
You don't say |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 248 |
By the way, this perspective on academia is interesting, i was unaware of that. (While the segment on her being female is also ofcourse important, it is the view of the system itself, that i find interesting.) |
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