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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting Mr. SIDIsn't Oct/Nov also in the school year, but with shittier weather? :) Better conditions to be pretend-sick. =) |
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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Quoting KrillQuoting wacekQuoting Knight Riderweren't intros, but 4kb demos
Respectfully, 4kB intro is not an invention of C64 scene. Moreover, we are arguably the last platform to introduce it, so IMHO we should follow the definition and format that is long established. Meaning it is size-restricted as 40kB and 64kB intros but not in functional way connected to crack intros. Everybody would immediately understand "4KB demo" to refer to restricted executable size with unrestricted memory footprint, while "4KB intro" is quite ambiguous since at least ICC rules (restricted memory footprint) have been invented on this platform.
Calling demos intros was a stupid idea from the start, too. :)
I spoke to a few contacts and asked them why they weren't submitting anything. The excuses were not understandable to me, until I saw the entries of the others and thought oh shit, I shouldn't have bothered one trusted voice said to me... Mike yours was good, but theirs are better sorry.
Quoting Mr. SIDIsn't Oct/Nov also in the school year, but with shittier weather? :)
It's called X as it's in October ? Now we need to rename to V ? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting Knight RiderI spoke to a few contacts and asked them why they weren't submitting anything. The excuses were not understandable to me, until I saw the entries of the others and thought oh shit, I shouldn't have bothered one trusted voice said to me... Mike yours was good, but theirs are better sorry. ICC is pretty much the only compo with actual 4K intros rather than demos.
And frankly, i'd hate to have a demo party screen logo+music+text things for an hour.
It's just too restrictive for an already restricted platform with already restricted-enough categories.
Quoting Knight RiderIt's called X as it's in October ? Now we need to rename to V ? With OCTober being the 10th month for some historical reason... Could just as well have called it "VIII" instead until recently. :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
I wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Rob Hubbard would approve (if I have read the comment that we are streaming demos from disc" right.) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting CreaMDI wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Putting onefilers in the demo compo proper is alright.
I'd have preferred them to be marked prominently as onefilers, though. And to have an extra top 3 rather than a single award for the top onefiler. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Quoting CreaMDI wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Putting onefilers in the demo compo proper is alright.
I'd have preferred them to be marked prominently as onefilers, though. And to have an extra top 3 rather than a single award for the top onefiler.
Or that. Simply compile the list of top 3 onefiles from the demo compo results. Good idea. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
I think nothing needs to change.
There will be more 4ks anyway with an annual format.
And I agree with Krill. One should not 'aim' to win a 2nd-class award. It's not like a product by pros wins automatically. And quite often pro = most amount of time invested. All fine for me here. And it was more clear this year than (maybe) ever before: super-pro doesn't mean first place. Or second. Or even third guaranteed!
About the date:
'Summer' edition was very cool this time weather wise!
Less crowded inside. More time/room for chats outside 24/7. More seeing someone at 10m distance and still reaching him/her within a finite amount of time.
But whatever format it ends up being, it's the people making the party and I have no doubts that it will rock hard (in a friendly, peaceful manner :) again!
PS: constructing sub-categories FROM main compos is cool, too. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2107 |
Quoting Bitbreaker... 4k in my view had potential for more entries, there were "only" 6. ...
Yeah, this is really something also more people without 900 years of added involved groupmates coding experience could have put effort into - even all by themselves with some good old coder gfx, including myself (guilty as charged, real life, other party org and lazy bastard).
Splitting it into 1st "expert" and 2nd "amateur" division, wait, isn't X also where you release to compete with the best? And if you end extremely worse than your expectations, you will either work on your skills or better focus on drinking next time - and release your hard drive trash at a smaller party, e.g. BCC :)
I'd support the 1-disk-limit to reduce the "streaming/showing animations from disk" effect. And also because I often (might be my taste) think - why the fuck didn't they leave out 3 parts and made it fit one 1 side. Flip Disk for only Credits or Greetings or right after the Loader to watch the rest feels just meh.
One-Filed versus Trackmo distinction would make most sense imho of all the suggestions. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 587 |
I wouldn’t change anything. We were a team of 11 people on No Bounds - and less on our core team.. but we like to fight with the big groups to be honest. It might mean we never break the top 3 at X, sure, but that’s fine.
We make demos that we enjoy to make, and that we enjoy to watch. For me, that’s codeporn.. I just don’t enjoy making these story demos - even if that seems to be where the C64 scene is headed. I like watching the story demos, sure, a couple of times at least… but it’s more the “how the f*** did they do that?” demos that I want to see - and those don’t need huge production teams. LFT made Lunatico himself, Sparta made Got Balls (but borrowing music of course)… so we can all do it. |
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Nith
Registered: Jan 2013
Posts: 15 |
Yeah, my understanding was, that stiff competition and upping your game while trying to reach the top is kind of the most important pillar the scene is built on, would be kind of lame to change that. Also what TheRyk said, X feels like the world championship, you need to be really good to win something.
On a side note: If you can't make it on your own, you can still try to improve your skills until one of the big groups will try to snatch you up ;) Works like in football I guess.
A newcomer award of some sorts would be kind of cool though |
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