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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
Double Screen Compo Voting
Okay - all entries are in and it is time for voting.
Take your time and check the pictures properly. If you like to check it on a C64, I'd recommend to turn off the volume, because music tends to alter atmosphere. Now here come the rules:
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CHOOSE 3 FAVORITES - NO MORE - NO LESS
SEND YOUR CHOICE VIA PM TO ENTHUSI OR ME
OR BY MAIL TO << COMPO[AT SPAMSUCKS]C64PIXELS[DOT]COM >>
PLEASE DO NOT FORGET YOUR HANDLE/GROUP OR NAME
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Deadline for voting is June 7th 2011 (know it is a long term but c64pixels-visitors are watching random)
Good luck to all contestants !
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Looking Outward by Celtic, code by Zielok
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Format: MultiColor
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Monroe 6569 by Diggr
Format: Charmode
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Asteroidmine by Grass, code by Cruzer
Format: MultiColor
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The Raven by Dane
Additional content according compo rules: Dark red and dark grey are laced
Format: MultiColor
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CARGO by Twoflower, code by Cruzer
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Picture format: MultiColor, 4-colors, Colorscheme is matching Charmode
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A Kind of Magic by Yazoo, code by Axis
Additional content according compo rules: Music, scrolltext (can be disabled by pressing spacebar)
Picture format: MultiColor
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
Uh, 'Art' is a dangerous word ;-)
Also it brings in the point of the audience.
Among 'artists' I often observe great jealousy if a big impact is reached with little effort.
Same with music which you can easyly mark as art, too.
Popsongs sell best, no matter how much more clever classical, alternative, etc music might be.
As a musician I would go bananas if my uber-song loses hands down to a 3 chord popsong - which usually happens btw.
Same with pictures.
All too many photopgraphy forums witness that a nude-pic tends to get all the attention - no matter how cheap or plain it was made. Not by all visitors, but by the majority.
As mermaid put it: fear.
Getting rid of (unfair?) competitors is nothing else than the fear of losing to 'inferior' art. Which is a contradiction in itself.
As Oscar Wilde put it: 'all art is quite useless'.
Either enjoy what you do and do it, or don't.
It's worth nothing if you're doing it not for you.
If you do it for others, live with the fact that others may lack your 'depth' or merely point of view on things.
This behavior is quite natural. I disfavor SCPU and REU based effects since this threatens my niche of c64 coding that Im familiar with, too :) (Blureu at breakpoint has caused a smiliar discussion than this here).
With one exception:
most people here did not participate and even state that they will continue not to.
I fail to understand why. Seriously. This compo was announced for quite some time. The entries had a good chance of getting a big audience which was known from the start. There are very, very few gfx compos out there. Even less outside of parties. In my opinion: for all that actually give a damn about gfx compos: this was(!) THE chance to contribute and bring a change! You can not change things by doing nothing. Noone complained about the rules which were clearly stated either. We received several requests about the strictness of the rules (scroller, music allowed etc) and veto took all of them into account.
I really do understand what the 'full artists' (idea,motive,handcraft,pixel) here want to say, but it is (sadly) very much pointless (since the compo ended and non of 'you' contributed).
I see no valid excuse for it (except for: I was not interessted enough).
Future compos will certainly consider and integrate much of what has been said here. Yet, if you apply those 'standards' (which are NEW (good maybe, but new nontheless)) here, we end up with two entries.
Yay for you gfx scene - sorry, lame remark by me. |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote:artists should not dictate the nature of future competitions. The voters should.
exactly what i say... i for myself dont like 1:1 scans, with just little touching up. but its the voters who decide... if they vote high on a scan - they will not disappear - and we gotta live with that i guess.
its like with the economic system... when only very few ppl buy a product, it wont be produced anymore.
so i still hope that the voters will be sensitised a little more, and not "buy" cheapo scans.
still i wouldnt mind some more strict compo-rules (workstages, no touched up scans allowed...)
yep - there will still be unrevealed scans, but atleast a few less i guess. and reverse engineering for workstages makes scanning less attractive, because it is going to eat some extra-time.
on the other hand we shouldnt overregulate things.
as for hand-made copies... i have no real problem with them, when someone obviously spent lots of time on them, and added some extra-c64-feeling. they were always part of the c64 szene.
and for this compo... i am still happy that veto and enthusi organized it. it lead to an interesting discussion, which is a good thing. maybe just some ppl need to calm down a little.
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
Veto... you are right... I understand what you say here... I will not post more in this thread.. it is to nerdy even for me... going on in all directions... You just wanted to hold something fun and now it is a nightmare for you... I see this... bad bad bad... You did something and you of all should get pro feedback for doing so... thanx for doing something for the scene. You dudes also gathered prizes and all... not fun anymore that now... I understand you Veto. This sucks!
mermaid, you are right, STE you are right, PAL are right and all others are right too... let us just keep it the scene way and the real quality voters we have will vote for the better ones... no matter what...
We all killed SIT returning to the scene, let us just not kill the whole scene too... I told you dudes that things like this is just the start of the end... Kill the scene or just leave it alive, breathing, evolving and free... up to yah all... the more struggle and work and negative energy one gets from this hobby the faster this hobby will just end... the more fun and posetivety we get from this hobby, the longer the scene will stay and even attract new members that want a fun hang around and framework for their hobby with good friends and meetings and compos and all... we are a smal family and should take care of each other... it is about having fun this... and now this does just feel lame and bitter and negative... I hang up for a week too...
Yours PAL |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting Vetohm. i think it is better for me to quit all scene activities for a while. i cannot stand this unreasonable slugfest anymore. imo it was always the major opportunity of the c64 scene for people doing what they want to do. it is no professional department and i am sure that requesting too much control does no favor in this case. see ya.
While I encourage to continue your fantastic work, I exactly know how do you feel. This thread represents most of the reasons why I decided to avoid CSDb and the C64 scene. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
I stopped reading this 10+ pages ago.
Pixel purists & artsy-fartsy scene mentors made it.
Fact is that Veto convinced some guys to make something (Digger - he even made his own editor!) and all they got in return is this flood of crap.
Thank you.
Ps.
Se7en, please bring back your web page! ;)
How was it called. Art that isn't? |
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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
i stop following this thread now becaue i think all was said.
but my few cents at this time:
1. I understand Veto but also I think it was verry valuable subject to discuss here. despite what some say csdb is the center of our demoscene and it is a good platform for this kind of discussion.
2. verry interesting look at what an art is from STE and Enthusi - thanks. for me it was really good summary of the whole discusion.
3. I'm especially sorry for my emotions on the Ricci thread - sorry Mermaid it was rude to say what I said.
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Dane
Account closed
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421 |
I would just like to appeal to Veto to not stop organizing compos. It's a good way to breathe life into a scene that gets sleepier by the year.
Adjusting rules for competitions or even disqualifying entries might be necessary in the future, but don't feel put down by the resulting discussion. I don't think anybody feels that you have done anyone a disservice. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4702 |
You are right Dane. And I will try to be less of an arty-farty philosopher and actually try to contribute next time there is a compo like this. I'm still learning (I hope I never stop), and all you pixelgods out there are the best teachers. Keep it up. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
Quote:I would ask the question on here that, should the competitions be limited to "original" art, would we actually get "the Best" or would we just get compos full of cutesy cartoons, surreal objects and colour explosions?
non original art was banned on most competitions since at least the 90s. (wether people still cheated and could get away with it, thats another question) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 423 |
All, let's close this topic now and start pixelling for the next compo, rite? :X
PS Had anyone seen the official results yet? |
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