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2008-01-09 15:53
Shadow
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Covers that you thought were original C64 tunes..

Back in the eighties/early nineties I was a HUGE nerd that never went 'out' or listened to music or whatever the cool kids did (OK, all of the aforementioned still applies, but.. :D)
That meant that pretty much the only music I listened to came from the glorious SID chip. In the years since there has been many occasions where I've heard a tune on the radio/TV/mp3 and gone "WOW! They made a cover of the tune from demo X" and then a second later "Uhmm.. wait a minute.. it was probably the other way around".
Some notable examples:
* Domino Dancing / Pet Shop boys. I thought this was a C64 original up until I heard it on the radio a couple of years ago :D
* The tune from some Success demo, turned out to be a Koto cover
* The superb introtune from Partytrap. It was not until I read the comments here on CSDB that I realized it was a cover.

OK, am I the only one who has experienced this? :D
2008-01-09 15:57
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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look in STIL.txt in hvsc :)
2008-01-09 16:12
jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
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As a kid, for a while I thought Layla was a C64 song and it really shocked me when I heard the original on the radio.

By the way, sometimes I wonder why it's much more accepted on the scene to do cover music or remix than copying graphics? :)
2008-01-09 16:15
chatGPZ

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come up with a mp3 to sid converter and this will change =)
2008-01-09 17:00
Oswald

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yeah, Groepaz got the point exactly. its much harder to cover a music, than copy gfx.
2008-01-09 17:12
jailbird

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Quote:
yeah, Groepaz got the point exactly. its much harder to cover a music, than copy gfx.


You mean, to convert graphics, right? Copy != wired.
But yeah, I get the point :)
2008-01-09 17:13
chatGPZ

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even the good old copy-by-grid method is fairly easy, it's just work. even i can do that :)
2008-01-09 18:51
TDJ

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I am the walrus by TDM .. Really.
2008-01-09 19:26
Hein

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Quote: yeah, Groepaz got the point exactly. its much harder to cover a music, than copy gfx.

Not if you got good ears or a midi file. Almost every hip song got a midi file somewhere.

It's as difficult as the good old copy-with-grid method. (well, ok, 3 channels vs 16 colours)

Both are good practices, though, copying gfx and copying music. Especially picking out the essential bits, abstracting the details to less.
2008-01-09 19:57
Turtle
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Quote: Not if you got good ears or a midi file. Almost every hip song got a midi file somewhere.

It's as difficult as the good old copy-with-grid method. (well, ok, 3 channels vs 16 colours)

Both are good practices, though, copying gfx and copying music. Especially picking out the essential bits, abstracting the details to less.


Some fast complexity calculations....

3 channels * 65536 freq possibilities = 196608 possible channel/freq combinations

vs.

16 colours * 64000 pixels = 1024000 coulour/pixel combinations

concludes to: Songcovers should easier to be done than Imagecovers ;-)

But, wait! Maybe I should add the waveforms and pulses...

Then, there should be 3 ch * 65536 freq * (3 wf +(4 wf *4096 pulsevalues) = 3221815296 ch/freq/wf/pulse conbinations.

Correct me, if I'm wrong (which is almost inevitable).

Just kidding. I know how hard it is to compose, whether soundwise or visualwise, even to cover. Especially when you have no talent, like me! ;-)


Turtle
2008-01-09 20:13
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
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For the longest time i was totally unaware that "Two divided by zero" from Trond Kjetil Lindanger
(of which i even made a cover "Division by zero") is in fact itself a cover of "Two divided by zero"
from the pet shop boys.

What a surprise that was.

I still prefer Trond's version a thousand times more than the "original".

 
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