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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
"BBS Graphics"
So, apparently BBS Graphics is different to PETSCII in that only a portion of the PETSCII charset is used.
However... why is BBS Graphics a "release type"? Every other graphic format is classed as "C64 Graphics" and with a subtype specifying the format (multicolour, hires, PETSCII, FLI, MC+sprites, etc).
Shouldn't BBS Graphics follow the same pattern? It could be a simple change - there are currently on 96 BBS Graphics releases. I suspect that several of those aren't BBS Graphics at all, actually. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
I am already discussing this with the other mods. :)
Right now, I think you are absolutely right. First of all, BBS gfx would be lower case only and d021 black, right? Secondly, our best guess is that BBS Graphics as a release type was meant to archive BBS graphics which are not C64 executables, but which are in some (proprietary) format for BBS software, and rendered by the terminal program on the fly when visiting the BBS. But that is a best guess right now. We have pinged Perff to see what he can remember about introducing that category.
If the second guess is right, I wonder if we actually have even a single BBS gfx entry that is correct. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:First of all, BBS gfx would be lower case only and d021 black, right?
It's whatever you can produce by feeding data to CHROUT (or PRINT if you like) - so changing case is no problem. "Only lowercase" is mostly a convention made up by Sysops, as switching case looks ugly with inline gfx - but its entirely possible and was used too. The only practical difference to "PETSCII" is that the background is always black.
Quote:but which are in some (proprietary) format for BBS software
not proprietary at all - they are saved as SEQ files containing the raw bytes that are feed to CHROUT.
Quote:We have pinged Perff to see what he can remember about introducing that category.
The same kind of thoughts that went into "Fullscreen Graphician"? |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
As it is a derivative of "PETSCII", shouldn't "BBS GRAPHICS" be removed entirely? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: As it is a derivative of "PETSCII", shouldn't "BBS GRAPHICS" be removed entirely?
That is what we are discussing. :) Or to keep it for SEQ files from actual BBS:s? But still sorted under C64 gfx in that case. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
How is it different from many other release types though? Half of them are derivatives from others and shouldn't be there in the first place in exactly the same way :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
So just to tell you one thing that I planned for C64GFXDb … since I’m grabbing all the screens from releases, I can do some automatic analysis on them… to determine hopefully more information about the type of graphics… hires and MC bitmaps are the easiest. Those with VIC trickery are harder - though maybe FLI and such will be detectable.. PETSCII and BBS could also in theory be detected.. if BBS is useful… but looking at the BBS releases, some are clearly not BBS at all.
I can use what I’m doing with my database to feed back to CSDb to get the entries here fixed up (might need admin help as annoyingly many releases are locked).
Could also be useful to generate a list of the CSDb screenshots and to highlight which don’t have borders and shit - even going as far as to add, expand or contract borders on screenshots where possible (I want to do that for my site anyway - so it’s just a matter of passing those shots back to CSDb at some point). |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: That is what we are discussing. :) Or to keep it for SEQ files from actual BBS:s? But still sorted under C64 gfx in that case.
Yeah, don't see any value in keeping "BBS Graphics", seq files can also be log files taken from CCGMS and the like and would more fall under "Misc." - focusing on modes, this is all under text mode and should be covered simply by PETSCII. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
There are only 89 entries marked as "BBS Graphics" so it would be an easy job to change them. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: So just to tell you one thing that I planned for C64GFXDb … since I’m grabbing all the screens from releases, I can do some automatic analysis on them… to determine hopefully more information about the type of graphics… hires and MC bitmaps are the easiest. Those with VIC trickery are harder - though maybe FLI and such will be detectable.. PETSCII and BBS could also in theory be detected.. if BBS is useful… but looking at the BBS releases, some are clearly not BBS at all.
I can use what I’m doing with my database to feed back to CSDb to get the entries here fixed up (might need admin help as annoyingly many releases are locked).
Could also be useful to generate a list of the CSDb screenshots and to highlight which don’t have borders and shit - even going as far as to add, expand or contract borders on screenshots where possible (I want to do that for my site anyway - so it’s just a matter of passing those shots back to CSDb at some point).
If you find a screenshot without borders, always update them. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
Keep in mind that "bbs graphics" can shift between lower- and uppercase on the fly while beeing shown - e.g. the big opening screen by Skyhawk on my board. This is something which is "programmed into" the graphics similarly to animations.
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