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CyberBrain
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Release id #20965 : Mortalis Arisen 90%
Continuing the discussion from http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=20965&show=review
@The Dark Judge: i see your point, a release should be a prod that has been released. :) But party-entries that has not been released (at least not in the form they were in when competing) is a special-case i think. I know that the word "release" might be a bit off in this case...
But even though it's unfurtunate, it's something that has happened a lotta times through history, but that shouldn't mean that CSDb shouldn't have the complete party-results for these parties imo. I don't think it's been a problem till now?
Maybe some people would argue that we should just set the 100% version to be the winner of the party. But that would be wrong imo, as it wasn't the prod that won.
A good solution would be to go back in time and force a rule on each party: "ALL COMPETING ENTRIES WILL BE SPREAD NO MATTER IF THEY'RE FINISHED OR NOT!!!!" |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
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That looks like a comment to me. |
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
i wasn't at the party so there is something that i do not understand. Could someone explain this
at the primary star web site it says the compo machine is a PAL c64 with 1541
you guys are saying the 64 ever demo only works with a 1571
so it did not work on the announced compo machine and the organizers still let it enter the compo and even went as far as to change the compo machine configuration.
and the demo won the compo.
did i misunderstand something? |
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Tim
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77 |
Quote: @TiM: Angry people? Must have been TDJ. ;)
Those Paradizers haunted me for years. Sixten is still angry with me ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Those Paradizers haunted me for years. Sixten is still angry with me ;)
Well, ofcourse they were pissed off. First they lost to us in the summer, then they lost to Black Mail in the winter .. Paradize is the Joop Zoetemelk of the Dutch demoscene ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: i wasn't at the party so there is something that i do not understand. Could someone explain this
at the primary star web site it says the compo machine is a PAL c64 with 1541
you guys are saying the 64 ever demo only works with a 1571
so it did not work on the announced compo machine and the organizers still let it enter the compo and even went as far as to change the compo machine configuration.
and the demo won the compo.
did i misunderstand something?
Can't explain it, other than that the jury kinda made a big mistake ..
Don't get me wrong: the 64ever demo was absolutely the best of the bunch, but it shouldn't have been allowed to compete, according to the rules. But then again, rules are made to be broken, just like the hearts of the Paradize guys back in '91, and the SCL guys last weekend ;) |
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raven
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 137 |
@nightlord:
This isnt unusual. When i was at X2001 there were two
'compo machines', c64/1541 combo & a 128D.
You could choose which one u wanted (i'm still kicking
myself for not choosing the 128D first..) |
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Tim
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77 |
Quote: Can't explain it, other than that the jury kinda made a big mistake ..
Don't get me wrong: the 64ever demo was absolutely the best of the bunch, but it shouldn't have been allowed to compete, according to the rules. But then again, rules are made to be broken, just like the hearts of the Paradize guys back in '91, and the SCL guys last weekend ;)
Ouch!!! Talking about "een koekje van eigen deeg" ;)
And if I remember correctly the grandprize was ironically a 1571 drive. Bummer.... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Ouch!!! Talking about "een koekje van eigen deeg" ;)
And if I remember correctly the grandprize was ironically a 1571 drive. Bummer....
Well, what goes around comes around .. now you & Sixten can cry together. |
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
@raven: i think it would be ok as long as other compo machines are announced before. in the primary star site it says "The demo has to work on a Pal C64 with 1541."
so as much as it makes me excited to hear a new 64ever demo is on the way, I think they should not have let the demo compete. If X also let people choose a compo machine without announcing it they also made a mistake. Ofcourse I do not know what X announced back then but I am sure you get my point.
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898 |
Quote: @nightlord:
This isnt unusual. When i was at X2001 there were two
'compo machines', c64/1541 combo & a 128D.
You could choose which one u wanted (i'm still kicking
myself for not choosing the 128D first..)
Hi raven,
this is not true. At x2001 (and x2000 and x2004) there were 2 compo machines (as announced.) One was a c64-1 with old sid, the other a c64-2 with new sid. Both machines had a 1541-II drive and had AR-cartridges. We never had a c128 for sure. (100% sure, i didnt have a c128 back then, and i supplied the compo machines).
Just to clarify things :) |
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