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ZZAP69
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 30 |
Best LCD TV-set for the C64?
Most people I've talked to, doesn't recommend a LCD TV as a C64 monitor, but my question is: which is the best one? I'm looking forward to a slick C64 setup with 1541U and a very portable monitor. :D
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
this topic is interesting and i have missed it all this time.
the idea of swapping the crystal to get exact 50 hz is interesting. what we put in its place does not have to be a "crystal", it can be a highly tuned separate oscillator circuit.
if the frequency difference (50.12/50) affects all frequencies generated by by SID linearly (i don't know if this is true. i am not even sure if SID uses the clock as a source to its audio oscillators, i doubt that it does) than the off-key-ness would be still quite smaller than a half step in chromatic scale (i.e the difference between c and c#). So my hunch is that, this should totally be doable. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Slowing down the machine to get better compatibility with modern bad TV:s doesn't sound like a good idea... What about IO, wouldn't there be problems? I guess it could probably be done with some work, but it's not exactly a nice solution to begin with, making the machine slower...
Better just get a good TV set instead. I'm using a 29" 4:3 Sony Trinitron from 2004 both for watching TV, movies and as a C64 screen. Highly recommended, one of my best purchases ever. Crystal clear picture, while losing none of that analogue coziness.
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j0x
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215 |
I don't think slowing a PAL C64 down by 0.24% would lead to a lot of problems with loaders, since loaders "sync up" with the drive anyway. We're talking 1 cycle of "phasing" every 400 cycles. No guarantees, though ;)
radiantx, I have a similar TV set, and I was really disappointed with the picture. Even on a blank screen, each pixel stands out, like Vice's PAL emulation turned up to 11, so I'm back on my tiny 1701 monitor with its droning 50Hz hum coming through the speaker. I connected to the TV set using an S-video cable. How do you connect?
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
I use an RCA cable (with mono audio). |
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Sasq
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 156 |
Just thought I'd mention:
While my Samsung Flatscreen doesn't seem to handle any old or non-standard video, I recently bought a Denon AVR-1610 receiver that DOES. It works pretty well with the C64 and interlaced stuff in particular looks (almost too) good. The picture is slightly unstable though, something to do with the interlacing I guess.
So if you are thinking of shelling out money for a receiver anyway, this may be the reason to go ahead.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Got myself a Panasonic GW10 recently (plasma, so sorry for being a tiny bit OT ;-) ) and after fiddling a bit with the various cable connections (Scart looks like shit!) I can say that connecting it via S-Video/Mini-Din plug produces a pretty good picture. I got no frame skips with scrollers at all, so it seems to sync to the 50.12 Hertz perfectly. And after toning down the sharpness default of 5/10 to 0/10 the picture looks pretty nice. It's got a bit of shadow tearing to the right, but with pixel graphics this introduces kind of a little PAL blurring effect, it's not as crystal sharp as expected. A big downside is that it doesn't show any interlace at all, the internal circuits just blend the two frames together to show one. Can't say it looks too bad from a 3 m distance, but it's not quite what you're used to see. Anyway, I'm pretty ok with the result, more than fine enough for an occasional demo session without getting eye cancer. |
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Almighty God
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 18 |
Well, I had now an AcerTV model: 2055 and looks quite similar results than yours, Steppe. I try DeusexMachina today first and everything is quite ok but Interlacedfli pics doesn't flicker and looks similar to what you said. I think this is probably the best we can get from these monitors, looking forward to see what Chamaleon can do...
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deizi
Account closed
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 95 |
i got my c64 through 42" lg fullhd composite (4:3). its awesome. :P usually like this http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs195.snc3/20278_2.. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Folks, I'd like to compare some frontal detail shots. Would anyone mind taking some and upload them somewhere? Gonna do so myself tomorrow evening. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
http://www.lg.com/uk/it-products/monitors/LG-lcd-monitor-M227WD..
anyone met this one ? seems to have a game mode someone suggested :) |
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