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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote:drain As far as I'm concerned, I think that no organizer should complain about other parties crashing with it's dates or being held annually or anything. Yes, it's unfortunate when party dates collide, when less supported parties get less entries etc, but that's a competition, let the best win the best releases and biggest support. I'm saying that as ex-organizer of Forever Party which was always being mostly supported by local scene and surrounding countries (with notable exceptions). That's the spirit. Let the SVK, Polish, Hungarian, Czech, Austrian show what they can do, and if they don't, it's their fault that they suck at being productive and relevant in the scene on their own. Same with upcoming Arok. If we (the locals from around the area) are good enough, we should produce remarkable productions for this party to make it big and we should be able to visit it and have a good time. Let he X be the biggest and best party for as long as possible, and others should move their ass to work hard to be the second second and third. And no I'm not asslicking X-orgas butts here. Don't forget that I pissed on their stairs... 20+ years ago... and they didn't ban me for life, I'm just too lazy to go there and do it again (together with winning some decent place in the compo).
p.s.: annoucing the next party date immediately after the party has ended -> Brilliant! Can only be topped by launching registration etc. asap ;-) Waiting for it. I have put the date in my google calendar already. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Quoting mapE.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. The idea was to have separate compos for <= 1 diskside and 2+ disksides. So it's not an either/or. |
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Wile Coyote
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
When it comes to demo competitions, one rule I think would make sense is: No one individual can compete in more than one entry, when it comes to creating *new work. As a result, it might stop different demo’s looking/sounding/feeling samely.
I say *new work, as it would leave for the door open for example, if a demo makes use of a .sid that has already been released. Or a demo makes use of a loader created by X. Or in the case of Next Level/Performers, the use of graphics from games previously released. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Count me in.
If turns out that the demo coders won't deliver that much entries you could maybe increase the time limit for us musicians (?) ... I'll dance and party hard for sure even when we split music compo for two days ;-)
Oh and next time I get in your way watching demo compos just knock on my shoulder earlier to tell me to go fuck off. I didn't realize I was blocking your sight. I just wanted to be as near as possible at the P.A. because everything could have been way louder imho.
Looking forward to X'2024! |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 114 |
Quote: Quoting mapE.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. The idea was to have separate compos for <= 1 diskside and 2+ disksides. So it's not an either/or.
I'm very much looking forward to the next X. And I hope the date is fixed as it's on one of the few weekends in May that is not blocked for me already - well, now it is. ;)
Regarding the compos. I liked the idea of an award for single file demos. And I also like the idea of giving away top 3 awards. (we could have used a top 5 award for our demo BTW ;) ) Splitting into too many compos doesn't sound too attractive to me. But to limit the number of disk sides does. Two disk sides should be enough. So everybody has a chance to show their skills in doing change-disk-parts at least once per demo. It would be a great loss for the scene if those parts would vanish. ;) I also would opt for a runtime limit of 12 to 15 minutes. I saw one guy next to me falling asleep during the compo. (you know who you are!) But seriously: Demo creators, reduce to the max! :)
But back to the main topic: Where can I buy my ticket? I want to reserve a room now! I want more than just two meat balls!
A small suggestion: One or two more ashtrays on the way to the main hall would be great. :)
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting CruzerQuoting mapE.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. The idea was to have separate compos for <= 1 diskside and 2+ disksides. So it's not an either/or. 1 disk = 2 disksides (or less) seems like the natural packaging size. If anything, more than 2 sides should get an extra compo. :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting Wile CoyoteOr a demo makes use of a loader created by X. WAT |
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dyme
Registered: Nov 2018
Posts: 14 |
As a newcomer at X'2018 let me throw in that showing stuff on the big screen between the other awesome demos is in itself a great reward. You'd probably have a hard time detecting jokers turning in bogus trash demos to mock such a 'newcomer' category anyway.
Single file as a category in itself would make the most sense, as they are now indestinguishable from the other demos and that additional restriction should be made visible more. How many disk sides a demo uses is already pretty visible. |
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dyme
Registered: Nov 2018
Posts: 14 |
Quote: Quoting Wile CoyoteOr a demo makes use of a loader created by X. WAT
Wait, so you're not rewriting the loader system for every new demo from scratch? Now thats lame. Next you're telling me you're using a stock compiler and a paint program not even written by your group!!
@wile I get it, I like seeing new tech. But loaders, packers and sid-players are huge hurdles, and your're basically placing these restrictions on small and new groups only. And of course they are next to impossible to detect and enforce. |
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Boogaloo
Registered: Aug 2019
Posts: 21 |
I'm pretty sure that Wile meant the exact opposite, that loaders and already released tunes would be exempt from the rules, since those are not newly created.
This would mean that Lft would be allowed to compete with a demo even if someone else has used Spindle in a demo, but The Sarge would only be able to contribute with graphics in one of the demos in the competition.
That's how I interpret Wile's suggestion. |
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