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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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Wile Coyote
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
When it comes to demo competitions, one rule I think would make sense is: No one individual can compete in more than one entry, when it comes to creating *new work. As a result, it might stop different demo’s looking/sounding/feeling samely.
I say *new work, as it would leave for the door open for example, if a demo makes use of a .sid that has already been released. Or a demo makes use of a loader created by X. Or in the case of Next Level/Performers, the use of graphics from games previously released. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 454 |
Count me in.
If turns out that the demo coders won't deliver that much entries you could maybe increase the time limit for us musicians (?) ... I'll dance and party hard for sure even when we split music compo for two days ;-)
Oh and next time I get in your way watching demo compos just knock on my shoulder earlier to tell me to go fuck off. I didn't realize I was blocking your sight. I just wanted to be as near as possible at the P.A. because everything could have been way louder imho.
Looking forward to X'2024! |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 114 |
Quote: Quoting mapE.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. The idea was to have separate compos for <= 1 diskside and 2+ disksides. So it's not an either/or.
I'm very much looking forward to the next X. And I hope the date is fixed as it's on one of the few weekends in May that is not blocked for me already - well, now it is. ;)
Regarding the compos. I liked the idea of an award for single file demos. And I also like the idea of giving away top 3 awards. (we could have used a top 5 award for our demo BTW ;) ) Splitting into too many compos doesn't sound too attractive to me. But to limit the number of disk sides does. Two disk sides should be enough. So everybody has a chance to show their skills in doing change-disk-parts at least once per demo. It would be a great loss for the scene if those parts would vanish. ;) I also would opt for a runtime limit of 12 to 15 minutes. I saw one guy next to me falling asleep during the compo. (you know who you are!) But seriously: Demo creators, reduce to the max! :)
But back to the main topic: Where can I buy my ticket? I want to reserve a room now! I want more than just two meat balls!
A small suggestion: One or two more ashtrays on the way to the main hall would be great. :)
Higgie/Onslaught |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting CruzerQuoting mapE.g. think about limiting to a single disk side vs. having things like the Censor Rap being possible to be added into a production. The idea was to have separate compos for <= 1 diskside and 2+ disksides. So it's not an either/or. 1 disk = 2 disksides (or less) seems like the natural packaging size. If anything, more than 2 sides should get an extra compo. :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting Wile CoyoteOr a demo makes use of a loader created by X. WAT |
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dyme
Registered: Nov 2018
Posts: 14 |
As a newcomer at X'2018 let me throw in that showing stuff on the big screen between the other awesome demos is in itself a great reward. You'd probably have a hard time detecting jokers turning in bogus trash demos to mock such a 'newcomer' category anyway.
Single file as a category in itself would make the most sense, as they are now indestinguishable from the other demos and that additional restriction should be made visible more. How many disk sides a demo uses is already pretty visible. |
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dyme
Registered: Nov 2018
Posts: 14 |
Quote: Quoting Wile CoyoteOr a demo makes use of a loader created by X. WAT
Wait, so you're not rewriting the loader system for every new demo from scratch? Now thats lame. Next you're telling me you're using a stock compiler and a paint program not even written by your group!!
@wile I get it, I like seeing new tech. But loaders, packers and sid-players are huge hurdles, and your're basically placing these restrictions on small and new groups only. And of course they are next to impossible to detect and enforce. |
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Boogaloo
Registered: Aug 2019
Posts: 21 |
I'm pretty sure that Wile meant the exact opposite, that loaders and already released tunes would be exempt from the rules, since those are not newly created.
This would mean that Lft would be allowed to compete with a demo even if someone else has used Spindle in a demo, but The Sarge would only be able to contribute with graphics in one of the demos in the competition.
That's how I interpret Wile's suggestion. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 501 |
Are you aware what you are asking for? This would mean, some people should hold back on their fun creating content, gfx, code, music. That people contribute to more than one project lies in their high activity. Who are you to limit others fun? :-D Fun is the only thing that drives me in the process of creating a demo and the luck of having quite some sparetime to spend into doing demos. I might think of holding back if you spend and pay me some travel and holidays :-P |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 588 |
Why does anyone want to change anything? Weird IMO… X compo is perfect as is.
Annual is too much for many of us, sure.. and the timing complicates it for many too. Maybe 2025 could shift back to Autumn?
In terms of how many demos could be released etc… work harder, faster, sheeple :p .. or just release every 2, or 3, or 5 years? Nobody said you have to release at every X.
Also.: re: the big leagues, little leagues, etc.. why? I want to fight with the big groups. Who dictates the league anyway? If it’s “the people”, that’s not fair.. if it’s the group themselves.. what’s to stop Booze deciding they want to fight in the little league?
I would just leave things alone… if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. |
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