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ZZAP69
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 30 |
Best LCD TV-set for the C64?
Most people I've talked to, doesn't recommend a LCD TV as a C64 monitor, but my question is: which is the best one? I'm looking forward to a slick C64 setup with 1541U and a very portable monitor. :D
Tobias |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Game mode, movie mode ect. usually means factory presets for brigtness/contrast/gamma etc. And I wouldn't expect any of modern LCD/LED/Plasma TVs to not have the interlace compensation for AV/S-video (unless clearly stated in the specs)....wich simply means all interlaced gfx modes looks like badly done drunken NUFLI.
Worst thing is, you can't disable it... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"Some LCDs have a setting called "Game Mode", which typically disables deinterlacing and other image "enhancements" that interferes with game consoles" |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Mine also has a "game mode". Doesn't do shit except to have shitty colour presets and it's said to reduce latency by some ms. Apart from that the game mode looks the same as in cinema mode or in normal mode. ;-) |
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A Life in Hell
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 204 |
One other option that I discovered recently, is instead of actually trying to get your TV to understand the c64's input signal, instead using an external upscaler for the c64 - I bought one online earlier this month (I'm in the USA at the moment, and TV's that do PAL natively here seem as rare as flying elephants). The one I bnought was $80, and upscales the PAL signal to a 720p HDMI output, whcih the TV then won't actually try and fix further (unlike a 576i signal, whcih of course it will). I havn't tried this on a 50hz output tho, but it actually does a really good job of doing 50hz -> 60hz conversation as well (using the standard "n% frame 1, n% frame 2" method of doing so).
I'll post something about how it works PAL -> PAL when I get back home in a couple of weeks. But if someone else has a similar device, maybe they can comment on this :). I
I remmeber also a long time ago, Ray/Unreal used a PAL -> VGA convertor that worked quite well, and a lot of TVs disable processing on their VGA ports. however, it seems some newer TVs are actually blocking 50hz on the VGA in (particularly the samsung ones, which is a pain for me since my PVR outputs vga 50hz ;)) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
yup, I have found its manual, game mode is just a stupid preset.
btw what is picture phase ? the manual says it may be adjusted when using "external equipment", also "auto configure" will adjust phase&clock(&other), does that it mean it can fine adjust to 50.12 hz ?:D |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074 |
Specs and manuals unfortunately don't tell you what you need. You have to test it to see how it handles the signal from a C64 (which is HORRIBLY out of spec :). |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Quoting Oswald"Some LCDs have a setting called "Game Mode", which typically disables deinterlacing and other image "enhancements" that interferes with game consoles"
Hm. Will check that with my Panasonic Plasma.
As to clock/phase i don't think it will say Hz. Usually you just get a bar. Though it may though help to reduce some interference if there would be any (I didn't notice for C64). In normal LCD monitors it was helping for tuning of the vga signal whenever the proportions of small fonts were visually different in each row/column of text, say in cmdline or putty.. but that made sense fo resolutions like 1240x1024. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: Specs and manuals unfortunately don't tell you what you need. You have to test it to see how it handles the signal from a C64 (which is HORRIBLY out of spec :).
I will feel really stupid running around with a c64 in shops bugging clerks :)
(note to myself: same but better sound LG M2294D-PZ) |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
2 months ago i wanted a new mini screen for c64, to take with me on parties. i went on ebay and searched.
i found a noname tv monitor, supposed to be used in a car, so you can have a camera on the back, and see on the screen where you are going (a better rear view mirror).
it was just called "car lcd tv monitor", no comnpany name is printed on it, and its from hong kong.
it only cost 48 uk pounds, so i took the chance and just bought it.
its a regular old TV, it can receive tv old style from the air with an antenna, but the screen is LCD.
it has composite video in, and VGA in.
it dont look so digital and blocky resolution as a philips digital crap dvd player i have, so it really looks a lot like a tv or monitor, but its not blurred, and not blocky.
its actually fucking good!
since hong kong electronics are cheap, you can afford to take the risk, to just buy something, that is perhaps really ok. maybe i was lucky, dunno.
but, not, while not at any party, and i have no need for the screen while at home, i have connected it to my server, which is hidden in a closet, and since it has the vga input, its perfect. nice little mini screen, in case i need to look at the server, when the remote control is out of function :D |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
thanks for the input, but I want to use it to watch demos at home, so I'd like something bigger :) guess I'll have to take a jump in the dark, I think I could live with nuflied iflies anyway :) but I hope for smooth 50fps, and no combing :) |
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