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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980 |
$D016 bit 5
There is this mysterious bit early on in the KERNAL reset routine:
FCEF: 8E 16 D0 STX $D016 ; VIC: Control Register 2 with X being anything in [0..5].
Now, some people [who?] claim that without this store to $d016, some [which?] cartridges won't start [citation needed].
However, $D016 apparently used to have a mysterious "reset bit" in supposedly early VIC-II revisions (those with only 5 not 9 luma steps, and then the early ones of those).
| Bit 5 | Reset-Bit: 1 = Stop VIC (no Video Out, no RAM |
| | refresh, no bus access) | Could this be the reason why some things on some machines (?) won't start without that store to $D016?
Do any machines still exist where setting $D016 to, say, $f8 would crash them (when running code from RAM)?
Or did this "reset bit" never exist? =) |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
I suppose from the German: https://riff.2ix.at/c64/vic-txt.html
Das RES-Bit (Bit 5) von Register $d016 ist bei den bisher untersuchten VIC 6567/6569 ohne Funktion. Beim 6566 dient dieses Bit dazu, den VIC zu stoppen. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790 |
Quoting KrillCould this be the reason why some things on some machines (?) won't start without that store to $D016?
Do any machines still exist where setting $D016 to, say, $f8 would crash them (when running code from RAM)?
Or did this "reset bit" never exist? =)
Is there an example of a particular cartridge lacking that store, not starting on a certain machine?
I think that store was usually omitted when replicating the startup code. I for one never included it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
That said, it'd also be interesting where AAY64 copied the info from - i only remember that bit being described as "stop" or "test" bit (whatever that means).
And who owns a Max Machine and can run test programs? :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790 |
Quoting chatGPZThat said, it'd also be interesting where AAY64 copied the info from - i only remember that bit being described as "stop" or "test" bit (whatever that means).
It's called RES here: http://archive.6502.org/datasheets/mos_6567_vic_ii_preliminary...
Mapping the C64 states:
Bit 5: Bit 5 controls the VIC-II chip Reset line. Setting this bit
to 1 will completely stop the video chip from operating. On older
64s, the screen will go black. It should always be set to 0 to insure
normal operation of the chip.
Quoting chatGPZAnd who owns a Max Machine and can run test programs? :)
Looks like Macbeth might have one judging from recent videos. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790 |
Also in the C64 Programmer's Reference (second printing 1983), p447, this is stated:
"The reset bit (RES) in register 22 ($16) is not used for normal operation. Therefore it should be set to "0" when initializing the video chip. When set to a "1," the entire operation of the video chip is suspended, including video outputs and sync, memory refresh, and system bus access."
pdf: http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/Commodore/C64%20Programmer%27s%2.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Posted a request here
Interestingly, the german "64 Intern" (which is basically a ripoff/translation of the PRG) does not describe bit 5 at all. To me that hints at it perhaps being removed from later editions of the PRG too. Maybe :) |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251 |
Hej, just something i remembered is, that exactly this (screen going black, machine halting) happened to me a long time ago on my C128 in C64 mode while fiddling around with D016.
I remember this, because that is how i initially learned that one shouldn't just write untreated values into any register ("Oh, that is what this AND + OR is for!").
Sadly i don't own that machine anymore. Did anyone try this on a C128 (the reduced C64-like case version, not D)?
Please excuse if i am too far off topic. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790 |
Quote: Hej, just something i remembered is, that exactly this (screen going black, machine halting) happened to me a long time ago on my C128 in C64 mode while fiddling around with D016.
I remember this, because that is how i initially learned that one shouldn't just write untreated values into any register ("Oh, that is what this AND + OR is for!").
Sadly i don't own that machine anymore. Did anyone try this on a C128 (the reduced C64-like case version, not D)?
Please excuse if i am too far off topic.
The C128 PRG does state for $d016: "5 ALWAYS SET THIS BIT TO 0"
here (p547): https://www.pagetable.com/docs/Commodore%20128%20Programmer%27s..
Never noted that before but I've never really dug into the C128. Does that bit do anything? |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
It does.
I remember fixing some demos to write nicely to $d016 to be able to run them on my c128. There were not many that needed that. I don't remember which ones were those. It was 25++ years ago :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
And you don't mix it up with $d030? |
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