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2020-03-09 17:04
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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(Ab)use of dummy accesses

For the next release of my "No more Secrets" doc i am preparing a chapter related to the dummy access which happen when the CPU performs an internal operation. Once again i am looking for some examples on how to (ab)use it :) I guess everyone knows "inc $d019" - but i am sure there is more than this. And not only with RMW instructions. So if you have anything in your mind - just drop it here!

here are some related notes which i pasted together. feel free to proofread and point out mistakes :)
 
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2020-04-09 21:46
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014
Quote: I dont get it, if REU starts to use bus as soon as VIC signals on BA to processor to stop, then it will lead to a bus conflict ?

Nobody said that... :) It monitors BA... I don't know, but I would assume the REU will not transfer when BA is low, even though technically could use cycles 0..2 there. It might do, I dunno.
2020-04-09 23:47
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386
but where is the test program? :)
2020-04-10 11:54
Walt

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 47
I am working on a REU demo and I had to do some test code because I experienced different behavior when using REU to magic byte on top of 8 sprites in a row.

Timing was different on VICE 2.4, VICE 3.x, real REU (Thanks Hedning :)), 64 Ultimate and 1541 Ultimate 2+...

The C64 Ultimate and VICE 2.4 behaved the same and real REU and VICE 3.x behaved the same (Nice work on VICE :))

So yeah, a test program for BA and REU would be nice...
2020-04-10 12:20
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386
there are related test programs, but not for the ff00 trigger with inc as lft described :) see https://sourceforge.net/p/vice-emu/code/HEAD/tree/testprogs/REU/
2020-05-17 16:43
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386
.... so i wrote one -> https://sourceforge.net/p/vice-emu/code/HEAD/tree/testprogs/REU..

works as LFT described on real hardware. fails in VICE :)
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