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angelo
Registered: Jul 2024
Posts: 13 |
Howdy
Hi there. It's my first post here, so lemme introduce myself. I'm angelo, or æn.d͡ʒə.loʊ, or unj, a founder of KSKPD, the group behind polish unesco application.
I'm in process of researching some early-computing stuff, including an idea planted by @Krill and @bitfat, that the default narrative of "In the beginning it was a cracker scene, that developed into demoscene later because $REASONS" might be worth challenging.
I might be asking in various sub-forums questions around data on this site, but while I used to be a part of demoscene as a coder (1995+), I also owned PC exclusively since my first computer in like 1990. I skipped 8bit phase completely, so please bare with me, if the questions sound obvious or straight-up outrageously naive :) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Quote:And my point is still that the moment a separate "cracker scene" was born (even if only as handy catchword) was the moment a separate "demoscene" was born, and vice-versa.
Both "emanated" from a common ancestor which had had a "legal section" all along.
Siblings, not parent and child.
While I see how to a certain point this "fervour" question can apply to myself also, may I ask: Where does this fervour you seem to harbour come from? Why are you so adamant to prove the mainstream "creation myth" wrong? Let's put aside the fact that I think that you are wrong. I know I repeat myself, but I'll say it again: I don't think it's doable. Replacement of the creation myth that is. Why stir the pot for no constructive reason? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting 4gentEWhile I see how to a certain point this "fervour" question can apply to myself also, may I ask:
Where does this fervour you seem to harbour come from? [...] Why stir the pot for no constructive reason? You seem to have answered your own question there. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Yeah, I guess I'm too dumb to see the answer.
My fervour is a reaction to your fervour.
The source of your fervour is still unknown to me.
You're the disruptive innovator, the pot-stirrer, the truth fighter of this story, I'm a mere average joe conservative piece of rock. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 226 |
I am Joe, a conservative piece of rock ;D |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5074 |
Quote: Yeah, I guess I'm too dumb to see the answer.
My fervour is a reaction to your fervour.
The source of your fervour is still unknown to me.
You're the disruptive innovator, the pot-stirrer, the truth fighter of this story, I'm a mere average joe conservative piece of rock.
goto 10. without proof your position is not the "truth" |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
Quote:I find it very unlikely that a German-language print magazine (or media in general) "invented" the demoscene.
I'd say the opposite: 64er in particular invented quite some things when it comes to "the scene". "Geschichten aus dem Sumpf" *shudder*
What would be actually somewhere interesting though: when did people start talking about "demoscene" rather than just "scene" anyway? I don't remember "demoscene" from the 80s at all - it was all "scene". |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
@Oswald
As You’ve repeatedly shown us, You are desperately out of your depth here buddy. Chill. Go Google “scientific theory” while chilling. Don’t troll. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5074 |
Quote: Quote:I find it very unlikely that a German-language print magazine (or media in general) "invented" the demoscene.
I'd say the opposite: 64er in particular invented quite some things when it comes to "the scene". "Geschichten aus dem Sumpf" *shudder*
What would be actually somewhere interesting though: when did people start talking about "demoscene" rather than just "scene" anyway? I don't remember "demoscene" from the 80s at all - it was all "scene".
I think demoscene is probably an "invention" of the amiga / pc scene. I still feel its stupid, its still just scene to me. In the c64 community It was scene only even around 96ish imho when I have joined the "scene" on irc, releasing demos, etc. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4696 |
Quote: I think demoscene is probably an "invention" of the amiga / pc scene. I still feel its stupid, its still just scene to me. In the c64 community It was scene only even around 96ish imho when I have joined the "scene" on irc, releasing demos, etc.
This I agree on. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4696 |
Quote: I am Joe, a conservative piece of rock ;D
This is why I love you. <3 |
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