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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
Transparent votes?
There's been a lot of "discussion" in the one-liner box about whether voting should be transparent, i.e. you can see who voted (and their vote's value).
I feel that things should stay as they are, just the number of votes and "weighted" vote shown for each entry. That would save all the arguments "why did you vote low for me?" or "he/she is a lamer, they voted low for me/my release"
What do others think? |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
Quote: Now I'm curious...Perff, if you never wanted to add transparent votes in the first place, why did you have a poll here a few years ago asking the CSDB users if they wanted transparent votes..?
At that time we were a couple of more people active in developing CSDb, and because you users kept asking about transparent votes we made a poll on it.
BUT! We couldn't agree internally what to do about it. Some of us thought we should make the transparent votes, or didn't care, but most thought it would be a bad idea to do that, because we were afraid that many users would remove their votes.
We never actually finished the discussion, and then other projects came along, but we had several ideas to avoid fake-voting (which I think is the main-reason why you people want transparent votes, right?) without fully transparrent votes, and this ended up with the 'filter' I made.
I still think this should take care of the 95% of fake votes, but ofcause there are always ways to get around such a thing.
If anyone can show me a vote-statistic where the fake-votes really show an impact on the rating I would be very interested. :)
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Well, I just managed to get Visual Delight 2 back in the top 10 by voting '10' (no previous vote) and changing my vote '7' for 'You Know The Routine' into a '1.
VD2 went from 8.0 to 8.2
YKTR went from 8.2 to 7.9
And for the hell of it I voted '1' for Deus Ex Machina, resulting in the average going from 9.4 to 9.1
Now that's pretty steep numbers in my eyes. So yes, downvoting has a big influence.
Tranparancy or possibility to make releases/persons non-votable, or, what the hell, I might just go around voting 1's and 10's all over the place. But I won't do it anonymously.
Perff, I respect your work but if you insist on taking a decision like this by yourself, no matter if there are a lot of people opposed to it (the majority it seems), I for one will not help building this database anymore. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Sorry to take such a radical approach, but how about publically downvoting each and everything just to tackle the system? ;-)
*runs away and ducks* |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Wow, I just kicked Arcanum completely out of the Top10! :-)
Peeps, this is great fun, come on and join in! |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
hmm.. I see that the rating changed yes. But I don't think it changed as much as it would do without the filter.. well.. whatever. :)
About the decission-making.
I do NOT want to take decissions like this all by myself. I see my job here to make sure that the php and sql works, and not much more.
This was originally intended as a funny 'little' project, but seems to have become an small institution, and I must admit that I'm not ready to take the responsability to decide how it should work, but every time I ask people they all look back at me.
The problem with this transparent vote-thing is that I have heard some people (enough) that it's a bad idea with transparent votes in general, and somewhere I must admit that I agree with them.
I still think this should be solved with a small admin-force cheking the accounts and their votes, and by that eleminate fake-accounts and votes. I have done that a few times, but I don't have time to check it all, and noone else will...
But if you all keep screaming at me I guess I must obey your oppinion.
I have made a small survey (again), and in a week or so I will check it out incl. responses here in the forum. OK? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Perff, that's all we're asking for. But try to make sure fake accounts can't vote on this :)
By the way, I've offered my help in the past and that offer still stands. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
I bow down to the wise decision and will of course remove my 1 from Arcanum immediately. =) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Why isn't the survey transparent? :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Cruzer I have to shout this with applause: *very good point* |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 896 |
why not just calculate the average from the transparent votes only? everybody can give their vote, whether they want them public or not, but they just won't count in the average... |
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