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Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?
Hello, CSDb denizens:
I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.
I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.
My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.
After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.
Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
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T.M.R
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Slator has a more than valid point, i started out back when C64s were in black and white (well, not literally) so i list "Future Shock" by the Borderzone Dezign Team as one of my all-time favourites. Even by 1986 standards that's not an impressive demo, but i still *like* it a lot because it hangs together well. It was also the first demo i ever saw... |
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TDJ
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Future Shock rocked .. a lot of those 'old' demo's contained a certain vibe which was sadly missed later on. Remember the Jazzcat demos? |
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TDJ
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Anyway, back on topic: I think we (myself included) are forgetting the difference between personal favorites and real milestones. Meaning in the last case it IS possible to see the effect on the whole scene. For example those ugly demo's from the mid 90's were mostly based on demo's by Oxyron and Reflex.
So the question to the 'experts' should not be: what's your milestone, but "what demo do you think was a milestone for the whole scene". Let's leave our personal tastes at home in this case guys :) |
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anonym
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A milestone _and_ personal favourite (yes, yes, we should be keeping those a part, but isn't that kinda hard) in my mind is "digital messiah" by Megastyle. Unfortunatetly it hardly caused more similar demos.
/Frank |
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Rough
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A milestone I'm surprised noone mentions was SO-PHISTICATED III introducing FLI.
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CreaMD
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Quote: A milestone _and_ personal favourite (yes, yes, we should be keeping those a part, but isn't that kinda hard) in my mind is "digital messiah" by Megastyle. Unfortunatetly it hardly caused more similar demos.
/Frank
Interesting I pointed out this demo at #c-64 few hours ago ;-). Maybe it's not a Milestone, but definitely it has got the power. |
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TDJ
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Urban myth deletion: it's ofcourse not called Digital Messiah but Seal Of Focalor.
And it SHOULD have been a milestone. It was spread very poorly if I remember correctly, at TP4 I was one of the few who had it, even if it was already out for quite some time. |
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hollowman
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many people love seal of focalor, but not many know the demo's name :) i remember leeching it from warez aquarium in the summer of 95. i had already made sledge & tranziie pissed by leeching so much, and now i had quite alot of what was in the demo dir. the truncated name seemed odd, 'seal of foca.'. foca means seal in spanish:) but i downloaded it and was quite shocked. unfortunately a friend borrowed the disk so i had not seen it for a few years, but after creamd mentioned it and it was discussed here i fetched it again and i appreciate it even more now than i did then.
its funny that there have been some demos that really are different, are called milestones and loved by many, but they had no followers. i guess it just takes too much time and skills to make a demo like seal of focalor, than say using some math formulas to make another generic version of an accepted effect. but also demos with a style that is simpler(or might seem more simple), like some of the effects in the panoramic demos had no followers either.
but it seems like people need to space out more :)
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T.M.R
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i don't normally "do" concept demos, but "Seal of Focalor" (yeah, i used to call it "Digital Messiah" until Kenz corrected me =-) is something i've watched a fair few times. It doesn't manage to be as spooky as the first time i saw it, but it's still an excellent piece of work.
At a guess, i think the reason nobody went near the idea of cloning it was because it would have been too *obviously* a copy.
On the other hand, "Dutch Breeze" took the 'heavily laden with presentation' idea and pushed it up a few notches; it was a milestone but more of a logical progression than anything explosive. i still love the rez-up on its endpart (the logo) and the Elite FLI scroller... |
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zyruz
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here you got Rotteroy and Scroll's original statement to Seal Of focalor.
Seal Of Focalor ! (For some reason many lamers out there tought that this demo was called "Digital Messiah!". For your information, Digital Messiah was the words we always put on top of our disk-headers at that time. So rename your files in your demo list!!!) We did the last touch for this demo in november 1992, and we tought we should spread it at a miniparty in Trondheim arranged by Hoaxers. We did not spread it there, as the party was a great dissapointment, and we drove to a hotel and stayed there for the weekend instead! Why should we bother to spread the demo at a party with only Amiga lamers and two 64 dudes from Hoaxers??? The Seal Of Focalor is probably one of the deepest demos ever made on the C64, and was our farewell to the demo scene. It was supposed to be the funeral of Megastyle with a lot of evil influenced graphic and Metallica samples. Cycleburner made his best part ever when he did the "GREED" part, and the atmosphere of the demo provocated a lot of sceners, sending us letters asking if we where into Ku Klux Klan and Satanic Organisations. But it wasn't as serious as many took it, just try to load the hidden files on both disk sides and watch for yourself! The demo was hardly spread, and it is a cult object on todays c64 scene. It was also in this demo we officially changed from Megastyle Inc. (MSI) into Megastyle Productions (MSP).
Sparkler said something like .. Seal of Focalor was more a Movie like demo. and i fully agree with him. ;)
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