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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 143 |
Release id #247799 : Bowhunter
"I can honestly say that all these pixels has been carefully selected" - Why say this when it obviously looks like it's not the case? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks any of this scene stuff is "Art" for that matter. Or who makes a big fuzz about it.
"..., if the movement, that is any movement, is lively enough, perhaps it is possible to know that it is moving even if it is not moving against anything." Gertrude Stein |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 352 |
I just asked the AI about definitions of art from famous artists. Everyone has their own point of view...
Personally, I think that everyone decides for themselves what art is for them. |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 495 |
Why do people 'expose'?
Lies breaks (the trust in) relationships.
And it’s obviously broken in our community.
If you want to keep our community together, it’s time to advocate honesty / transparency. The only way to restore the trust.
Be a nice fellow-scener, be open about your process. None *could* expose you.
(And honestly, those who are secretive about their process in 2024, are suspicious by default. That's what the 'liars' have achieved. Bravo.) |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 118 |
Quote: Why do people 'expose'?
Lies breaks (the trust in) relationships.
And it’s obviously broken in our community.
If you want to keep our community together, it’s time to advocate honesty / transparency. The only way to restore the trust.
Be a nice fellow-scener, be open about your process. None *could* expose you.
(And honestly, those who are secretive about their process in 2024, are suspicious by default. That's what the 'liars' have achieved. Bravo.)
Very good point! +1
In the past, I have occasionally fallen for some "tricks". And as a result, I not only lost trust, but also respect for the "artists". Among other things, I have noticed in my voting behavior on CSDb that I rarely vote for graphic releases. I just don't feel like thinking about the creation process or the tricks that the "artist" used anymore. :( Exceptions only really exist for artists that I trust. And of course my consistent downvoting of AI stuff. ;)
I want to try another example on the subject of conversions... Would the scene like it if I started scanning all my family photos from the old days and uploading each one as a graphic release? Or something else: If I were to buy a box of disks at a flea market, how would it be received if I uploaded all the previous owner's digitized photos that are on the disks as scene releases?
What I mean by that is: Just because you personally think it's nice or somehow useful to convert an image (e.g. from the Internet) that you like into a C64 format, that doesn't make it a worthy scene release. My advice: If it gives you pleasure, enjoy the process and the result, but keep the image to yourself. Print it out, hang it on the wall, show it to your friends who have no idea. But please leave us alone with that! *edit
Sorry Sander! I just didn't sound like a nice fellow scener, did I. ;)
*edit: And most of all, don't take part in any compo with it! |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 495 |
Quoting chatGPZI can't take anyone seriously who thinks any of this scene stuff is "Art" for that matter. Or who makes a big fuzz about it.
Demos can generally be classified as folk art. I'd say there are exceptions. 'Art' not scary.
Quoting HiggieWould the scene like it if I started scanning all my family photos from the old days and uploading each one as a graphic release?
The scene will probably not like it. Adding 'converted photos' meets transparency.
Quoting HiggieOr something else: If I were to buy a box of disks at a flea market, how would it be received if I uploaded all the previous owner's digitized photos that are on the disks as scene releases?
Add a note to it.
Quoting HiggieAnd most of all, don't take part in any compo with it!
Always meet the compo rules. (Unless it states otherwise)
Quoting 4gentEPlus, y’all already forgot “gaslighters”?
I was 'exposed' in ArtRecollection (Thanks Slaxx). As a reaction to the whole 'Pixel art in the C64 demoscene'-document. (Where I stated "I will not always fully comply to these guidelines myself, but I will continue to be *transparant* about it.") |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11374 |
Quote:Demos can generally be classified as folk art. I'd say there are exceptions. 'Art' not scary.
To me it works in similar ways as the so called "Elite". If you say it about yourself - you are most likely not. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 668 |
Quote: Would the scene like it if I started scanning all my family photos from the old days and uploading each one as a graphic release?
This is actually a very good Q. CSDb typically stores every “scene” release.
What happens if a scener does something like this:-
Week 1: creates a new website and hosts 10 pictures. Scans of photos, as you suggest, and converted to PRG
Week 2: adds 20 more
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Week 10: posts 500,000 PRGs of scanned photos
Will CSDb flood itself with all these? Suddenly we’ll have a “well, ok, we shouldn’t database -everything-…
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11374 |
Seeing all the crap that is being added - i wouldn't be so sure about it |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 236 |
Quote:Quote:
Would the scene like it if I started scanning all my family photos from the old days and uploading each one as a graphic release?
This is actually a very good Q. CSDb typically stores every “scene” release.
What happens if a scener does something like this:-
Week 1: creates a new website and hosts 10 pictures. Scans of photos, as you suggest, and converted to PRG
Week 2: adds 20 more
..
Week 10: posts 500,000 PRGs of scanned photos
Will CSDb flood itself with all these? Suddenly we’ll have a “well, ok, we shouldn’t database -everything-…
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This is offtopic but I'm glad somebody brought it up. I've been thinking about this and often discussing it for the past year. The capacity of "AI" to shovel large volume of semi-automated crap is immense. It's monstruous. Websites like CSDb that aim to "document" EVERY release are especially vulnerable to being flooded. If we don't plug the holes (errr "gatekeep") this will happen sooner or later. Then, if I may try and predict, the only way out will be to quit counting gfx as "releases" and keep only demos. That is until AI made demos hit. Yay. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 314 |
@Raistlin: so i guess you havent found IT yet :)
@Hedning: what if someone folowed your steps, but created antihuman art commando and started downwothing all the "handcrafted art"...
@Sander: Cepelia definetely is folk, not so sure about art :) That would depend on a definition.
i like this one:
Art is all creation made in a search of beauty or self expression. |
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