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2024-07-23 23:36
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622
Release id #244483 : Oceanborn

TheRyk mentions here that this pic being animated makes it a one file demo. Is that definitely the case for all GFX? I’ve seen many animations on CSDb that were tagged as gfx but which included simple animations.

What’s the definition for whether a graphic is “animated”?
2024-07-24 08:11
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178
It also has music.
2024-07-24 08:20
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178
I found CSDb is somewhat inconsistent about this.

For example, this (gorgeous) prod is categorized as Graphics.

Evoluer
2024-07-24 15:56
t0m3000

Registered: Feb 2024
Posts: 1
Is this also a demo too?
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2024-07-24 16:51
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622
Yeah, for me, Oceanborn is a "C64 Graphics" release.

Music doesn't make it a demo.

If having animation makes it a demo, does that mean that interlace pics should also be considered demos?
2024-07-24 16:56
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940
That sort of classification should be left to the creators, imho.
2024-07-24 16:58
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622
My 2c here: it's not fair on Worrior1 at all to recategorise this release. He put it out as "C64 graphics" because that's what he made. Animated graphics are still graphics - and there are many examples of this on CSDb.

Music: it's ripped. Zero effort here.

Code: isn't it just linked together with PNG2PRG or something..? Hence no coder listed (whether Burglar should be credited I don't know - he might not want to be credited on 1000s of GFX releases on CSDb).

There's a small window of time on CSDb where people can catch voters. Votes on this release should of course be for the graphics, not the music nor "code". Categorising it as a "One File Demo" so that it goes up against such as AWE, Layers, Cubic Dream, Party Elk 2, Copper Booze etc is definitely not right.
2024-07-24 17:05
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4691
Look at today’s music entries: full blown demo parts, many of them. Still: they were meant to show off the music, therefore: Music entry. Same goes for logos released with music and a scroller: the purpose was to show off a logo, therefore: gfx entry.

This should be changed back to gfx entry imho.
2024-07-24 17:26
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281
Graphics screen with music playing was called "demo" ever since the first one appeared on compunet.

But yes, a clear definition for this (and many other things) is still needed.
2024-07-24 18:19
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178
Complicated.
The entry that started this conversation got user rated as Graphic I’d say, no matter the category. For now at least. I don’t think users actually feel this (beautiful thing) is a 9.4 One-File Demo. Perhaps it’s best to leave the categorization to authors when it comes to prods released out of compos. They know the contexts in which their prods got made.
2024-07-24 18:52
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281
What an author thinks it is and how something is classified in the db really are two different things. For the db to make any sense, the same rules must be applied to each entry.
 
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