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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 886 |
Pinball Dreams discussion forum
Hey guys/girls,
instead of updating my homepage all the time, I though I could open a new thread here instead. This will also allow other ppl to comment on the development.
okay, so whassup at the moment?
Well, Last month I completely restarted from scratch on the code. Why? Well, first I wanted to concentrate more on getting the game to run in less memory, also I wanted to focus more on accurate simulation of the ball and some small other things...
What I have done till now :
1 - spawned the ball ;-)
2 - added gravity to the surroundings, the gravity data is now RLE encoded, so it doesn't take up much memory anymore. Used to eat 20 blocks of memory, now I think a map would use 3-4 blocks..
3 - I changed the gravity routine to use polar-based vectors instead of cartesean, much more accurate!
4 - added a debug mode to the movement routines, you're able to pick up the ball with the firebutton and move it around. Let go of the button and you drop it on the table again.
5 - Worked on an accurate (within 1 'bradian' degree) direction calculation routine. This routine will be used for both friction calculations and calculating new directions after collisions. So it needs to be
6 - added a (simple) friction routine.
7 - I put a small preview on the web ;-)
get it at http://www.interstyles.nl/pinball.rar
okay, what am I up to now?
1 - increase the speed accuracy to 24 bit, I need this because the friction only affects speed in the last 3 bits or so, so it's not accurate at all..
2 - add spin to the ball, so it is allowed to roll.. (also gives effect to the ball like top-spin and such)
3 - dunno yet, I'll see what is the next logical step after that.. probably the new method of collision detection, dunno..
I'm thinking of putting the sourcecode online as ascii file, so everyone can check it out...
Suggestions? Questions? other stuff?
greets, Werner
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zzarko
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 66 |
Heh, my first computer was C64 (and my only computer till 2004!) and it has a special place because of that, but now I have a rather colorful collection and I like all my machines (and before someone asks, yes, I even have CPC 464/664/6128 and ZX 48/128/+2/+3). Ok, maybe C64 a bit more than the rest... :) |
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AMB
Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 15 |
Is it possible that this will be finnished one day? I wish I could help somehow, but I have zero coding skills... Hope somebody will take this project ON! Cheers! |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: Is it possible that this will be finnished one day? I wish I could help somehow, but I have zero coding skills... Hope somebody will take this project ON! Cheers!
Eventually.
It's boring code left, I.e. the game engine. The pinball physics is fully implemented. The game engine requires reverse engineering of the original game. What would help is any of these:
1) Get the original sources from DICE. (Pantaloon?)
2) Ask nicely if Batman Group is willing to share the game logic code.
3) Do a full reverse engineering like I did with Eye of the Beholder. |
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Golara
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 212 |
Quote: Eventually.
It's boring code left, I.e. the game engine. The pinball physics is fully implemented. The game engine requires reverse engineering of the original game. What would help is any of these:
1) Get the original sources from DICE. (Pantaloon?)
2) Ask nicely if Batman Group is willing to share the game logic code.
3) Do a full reverse engineering like I did with Eye of the Beholder.
Rhino/BG said he's considering releasing the source code if enough people ask for it. He also stated there was no reverse engineering going on.
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@sim
Thanks!
We are doing it from scratch, without disassembling the original.
Still, I hope it's as fun to play in CPC as in Amiga!
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@sdsnatcher
Thank you!
At the moment it is not planned to publish the source code, but depending on how many people be interested it might be possible.
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: Rhino/BG said he's considering releasing the source code if enough people ask for it. He also stated there was no reverse engineering going on.
Quote:
@sim
Thanks!
We are doing it from scratch, without disassembling the original.
Still, I hope it's as fun to play in CPC as in Amiga!
Quote:
@sdsnatcher
Thank you!
At the moment it is not planned to publish the source code, but depending on how many people be interested it might be possible.
So, to get the correct bonuses, rules and scores etc they're just playing the game like mad and figure it out that way?!? |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
Or: looks like the original. All glory to the makers. Noone plays it in that version anyway :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11135 |
That is probably true indeed - it'll be enough if its playable and doesnt feel completely stupid. "Serious" players will play the original anyway :) |
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pepto
Account closed
Registered: Nov 2004
Posts: 35 |
Another interesting source for the Pinball Dreams scoring-system might be Vesa Halttunen (vesuri^daJormas), who spent some time working with the source code, as far as I know...
Quote:I completely rewrote the game in C++/OpenGL from the original 68000 assembler source code in 2009. The rewrite includes 100% exact original gameplay |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: Another interesting source for the Pinball Dreams scoring-system might be Vesa Halttunen (vesuri^daJormas), who spent some time working with the source code, as far as I know...
Quote:I completely rewrote the game in C++/OpenGL from the original 68000 assembler source code in 2009. The rewrite includes 100% exact original gameplay
Damn, didn't know about that. Really cool and sounds like a perfect source. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: That is probably true indeed - it'll be enough if its playable and doesnt feel completely stupid. "Serious" players will play the original anyway :)
Probably true, but also not so fun to code. It's much more fun to stay true when porting imho. |
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