Log inRegister an accountBrowse CSDbHelp & documentationFacts & StatisticsThe forumsAvailable RSS-feeds on CSDbSupport CSDb Commodore 64 Scene Database
 Welcome to our latest new user Skuggan ! (Registered 2021-12-05) You are not logged in 
CSDb User Forums


Forums > CSDb Entries > Release id #159269 : Fugue on a theme by D. M. Hanlon
2017-10-05 06:10
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369
Release id #159269 : Fugue on a theme by D. M. Hanlon

Quoting Scarzix

Really nice. Lovely composition. but... what about:

- tune that covers someone else's composition, cannot be a procedural conversion of any kind - put some effort into process (quote from Jammer)


Yeah, clearly this is lacking in effort. =)

Of course this is up to the organisers, but I think there is historical precedent. Let's dig a little deeper, just for the fun of it. =)

At least among music scholars, a piece of music that quotes, references, or otherwise uses an existing melody as basis for variation, is generally considered a composition in its own right. Whereas if, to a large extent, the piece is recognisable as a new version of an old composition, it is termed a rearrangement or transcription (and we would call it a cover).

So, in publications of Max Reger's Variations and Fugue on a theme by Bach, Reger is listed as the composer. In publications of Bach's Fugue on a Theme by Corelli, Bach is listed as the composer.

Even Gounod's famous Ave Maria, where he added a melody to one of Bach's preludes, is considered a composition by Gounod, even though it is sometimes listed as a Bach-Gounod co-op (released 103 years after the death of one of the members of this dynamic duo).

But in contrast, Myra Hess' famous piano version of Jesu Bleibet..., even though a lot of creativity went into it, is a transcription, and the composer is given as Bach. Likewise, here Mozart merely rearranged Händel (zoom in on the cover).
 
... 8 posts hidden. Click here to view all posts....
 
2017-10-05 10:39
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2185
Quote: whats the problem with "automatic conversions" anyway? they usually sound like ass :)

Valid point. Probably ranks so low in the end that it's not worth bothering with refining the rules for that.
2017-10-05 11:30
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4740
love that Gounod piece.
2017-10-05 20:46
Hein
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 842
Semantics discussions are lame intellectual games, they have nothing to do with music.

Found a good example online:

Why Cage is just like Bach

Bach- Is Bach
Handel- A more religious Bach
Mozart- A cuter younger Handel
Beethoven- An angsty Mozart
Chopin- A less angsty Beethoven
Tchaikovsky- Chopin plus Orchestra
Debussy- A relaxed Tchaikovsky
Ravel- Debussy plus Jazz
Gershwin- Ravel plus even more jazz
Joplin- Gershwin plus more America
Stravinsky- Joplin plus atonal
Ives- Stravinsky plus more messed up music
Cage- Ives minus the music

In my opinion, the artist creating the piece defines the rules. It don't matter in/out compo. Lft said he 'had fun making it'. That's what matters.
2017-10-05 20:58
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1143
To cut the story short - fugue part after Druid hint is not your own composition? Production info doesn't say anything on that :P And, first of all, it doesn't say anything about procedural processing (if that's the case). If it's procedural but doesn't exactly cover anything note by note, I don't see any problem at all :D
2017-10-05 22:19
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10166
now i am tempted to enter the compo with a procedural conversion of my own decomposition.
2017-10-05 23:19
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 142
Cool, so covers can be done. I'll rest my case then, sorry for bringing it up. I got a few ideas now.
2017-10-06 00:19
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1143
Reading comprehension says 'Hi!' :D
2017-10-06 00:29
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10166
and hein forgot:

Wagner - is metal \m/
2017-10-06 04:46
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369
Quoting Jammer
fugue part after Druid hint is not your own composition?


It is my own composition. I could have written "no copy" in the comment section, but I didn't feel that it was necessary. =)

Plenty of misunderstandings in this thread. It is interesting to try to figure out what everybody is thinking, based on their questions.
2017-10-06 04:59
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1143
Happens when people skip the rules and start drama ;)
Previous - 1 | 2 - Next
RefreshSubscribe to this thread:

You need to be logged in to post in the forum.

Search the forum:
Search   for   in  
All times are CET.
Search CSDb
Advanced
Users Online
katon/Lepsi Developm..
TheRyk/MYD!
Dymo/G★P
Ghost/Excess
Medicus
Beast/Crescent
AMB/Level 64
Jammer
JEZ
Axel/Samar/Digital D..
K-reator/CMS/F4CG
Sentinel/Excess
Nordischsound/Hokuto..
Barbarossa
nc513
The Sarge/Fairlight
Krill/Plush
Dwangi/Fairlight
celticdesign/G★P/M..
Guests online: 74
Top Demos
1 Sidmachine 3003  (9.7)
2 Edge of Disgrace  (9.6)
3 Coma Light 13  (9.6)
4 Bromance  (9.6)
5 Uncensored  (9.6)
6 Autumn Harvest  (9.6)
7 Memento Mori  (9.5)
8 Submerged  (9.5)
9 Lunatico  (9.5)
10 Unboxed  (9.5)
Top onefile Demos
1 Copper Booze  (9.6)
2 Daah, Those Acid Pil..  (9.5)
3 Dawnfall V1.1  (9.5)
4 Cityscape 2730  (9.5)
5 Lovecats  (9.5)
6 To Norah  (9.4)
7 Elite Code Mechanics  (9.4)
8 Barry Boomer - Trapp..  (9.4)
9 Offering  (9.4)
10 For Your Sprites Only  (9.4)
Top Groups
1 Booze Design  (9.4)
2 Performers  (9.4)
3 Oxyron  (9.3)
4 Crest  (9.3)
5 Fossil  (9.3)
Top NTSC-Fixers
1 Pudwerx  (10)
2 Horizon  (9.9)
3 Stormbringer  (9.7)
4 Fungus  (9.5)
5 Grim Reaper  (9.3)

Home - Disclaimer
Copyright © No Name 2001-2021
Page generated in: 0.139 sec.