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2020-01-03 13:35
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 875
Release id #185343 : VICE 3.4

Since 3.4 Mr Wegi's loader stopped working - it seems to init drive and go idle. Any solution to that? Tweaking settings gives no results.
 
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2020-01-03 22:48
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2572
Quote: Quoting hedning
95% of the daily VICE users must be Windows users.


True. People on Linux use VICE mostly during the night.


Haha! :D
2020-01-04 01:20
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1333
Quoting hedning
How can we get them to do that again then? The bulkyness of today's versions is unbearable. 95% of the daily VICE users must be Windows users.
1. Become one of "them".
2. Fucking do it.
3. Keep doing it.

=)
2020-01-04 02:22
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2572
Quote: Quoting hedning
How can we get them to do that again then? The bulkyness of today's versions is unbearable. 95% of the daily VICE users must be Windows users.
1. Become one of "them".
2. Fucking do it.
3. Keep doing it.

=)


What would I do there? Pixel a new icon? Become Groepaz’ personal spacepresser? :D
2020-01-04 09:04
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 842
Quote: @hedning: sound works cool in 3.4 :)

Been using 3.3, SID emulation sounds more accurate than reSID fp, which I used before and didn't reveal the low filter clickers for 8580.
2020-01-04 09:11
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 875
Quoting Hein
Been using 3.3, SID emulation sounds more accurate than reSID fp, which I used before and didn't reveal the low filter clickers for 8580.


True, given SID filter has burnt a little xD That said - direction was right only slightly overdone.
2020-01-04 10:47
Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 638
Re: SID filters — the problem lies/lied in the formula used for replicating the analogue filter in the 8580 not accurately reproducing the filter curve as measured from a real C64, when fed the constants used in the ReSID sources. I submitted a tentative patch that made the filter sound more correct to my delicate ears, though the curve was still way off. Not sure if that patch ended up being used, if a proper fix was made, or if the new filters were simply redisabled for the 8580 until they could be made right. More info may be available among the bug reports in the Sourceforge project.

Re: Windows builds — why even bother supporting MSVC if MSYS/MinGW works? The difference in the resulting binaries is likely completely negligable, and building using one is in no way harder than building using the other.
2020-01-06 09:11
Stone

Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 137
Quoting Radiant

Re: Windows builds — why even bother supporting MSVC if MSYS/MinGW works? The difference in the resulting binaries is likely completely negligable, and building using one is in no way harder than building using the other.
It's not just about spitting out an executable. I hear VICE team is still looking for maintainers on Windows and Mac and in order to contribute, most people will probably want a development experience they are comfortable with. Why not use a platform independent build system (or build system generator) like cmake, which seems to be becoming an industry standard for C/C++ based projects these days?

I only have a single VICE patch to my name (a crash bugfix related to midi), but to make it happen I had to jump through some hoops to create Visual Studio project files so I could debug it. Having up-to-date build files for other OSes would greatly lower the bar for contributing. BTW: I don't love cmake. I just hate it a little less as time passes by.
2020-01-06 13:32
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 2556
> Why not use (etc)

because they don't want to do it themselves, you have to jump in and volunteer on doing it.
2020-01-06 14:42
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1333
> Why not use a platform independent build system (or build system generator) like cmake, which seems to be becoming an industry standard for C/C++ based projects these days?

> because they don't want to do it themselves, you have to jump in and volunteer on doing it.

In my experience, because all of them are shit. If done right, plain makefiles can be just as platform-independent and remain highly flexible and well-documented.
2020-01-06 18:52
Compyx

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 476
Plain Makefile's will do fine with projects using little to no external libraries and when you only support a few OSes and a single compiler. Command line things like an assembler can be done with plain Makefile's and perhaps a bunch of #ifdef's to handle platform-dependent code.

I prefer plain Makefile's too, when feasible, I'm not a fan of autotools, but so far it's the most logical thing to use for us, seeing the amount of OSes, libraries and compilers we need to support.

I've tried a lot of build systems, one even suggested cat'ing .c files together to speed up compilation =)

We dumped MVSC support because it was a pain in the arse to maintain: basically a whole lot of brittle scripts going through the source to create MVSC crap and nobody used it.

I'm not saying I'll never consider another build system, but in the end it comes down to people actually willing to put in the work to show buildsystem X, Y or Z is better. And then maintain it.
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