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2020-09-25 18:41
Luca

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 172
Release id #196041 : Spy Story +GMW

This release takes on stage again (yes, again!) the whole circus with jugglers, dwarves, international standars and acceptable release's suffixes.

PLEASE NOTE FIRST! This is not a debate about who's wrong or not, this is the friendly attempt to have more "standardized" standards (actually, why have "standards" if they are not standard?).


Those are the discrepancies to chat about, one by one:

- usage of "+": VN rules use the sign just as "plus, reporting as example "namegame+D" as a crack with no trainers and with docs, but, just the first example I found in alphabetic order here at CSDb) 1942 +H has a veeery explicative comment about!

- usage of "W": personally I've never seen it for "walkthrough", I'm acquainted about the classic "S" for "solution"...

- usage of "G": hard stuff here... VN writes "Symbolises more than one key initiating in-game trainer" (w00t?); I guessed that G would stay for "addition of graphics ex novo in the game itself, and in Spy Story +GMW "G" means "a brand new intro bitmap that the game didn't have before"; so, what about the usage for the related suffix "!" (or "Pic")?

- usage of "M": International Standards and VN reports the well known "megatrainer, with in-game keystrokes", Spy Story +GMW boasts a larger definition for it, a vague "modification of the code".
2020-09-25 19:14
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10381
all that matters here is how csdb handles it, not VN or some ancient notefiles. there is no standard per se.

obligatory link that shows how it was once intended: http://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt
2020-09-25 19:23
Luca

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 172
Quote: all that matters here is how csdb handles it, not VN or some ancient notefiles. there is no standard per se.

obligatory link that shows how it was once intended: http://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt


Oh this is very interesting indeed!
This quite complete text file includes a "+" for "plus" combined to any suffix, uses "W" and doesn't consider "S" for "solution" (e.g., Behind Closed Doors 6 +W)...
2020-09-25 23:07
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 3889
We can conclude this is not settled. VN standard and Groepaz standard differs. Thing is that the VN standard is for naming releases, and the Groepaz standard was meant to be used for CSDb. In the ideal world these standards would match.
2020-09-26 01:26
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10381
They do match for the most part. And even Jazzcat was involved in it / approved it.

Not that it matters, since none of it will ever get implemented anyway.
2020-09-26 01:41
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381
Nothing really matters in the end.
2020-09-26 01:42
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10381
Yes, and noone gives a damn.
2020-09-26 01:43
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381
Let's send thoughts and prayers to the cracking standards.

+TP
2020-09-26 01:52
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10381
Not even praying will help with this lost case
2020-09-28 15:42
wil

Registered: Jan 2019
Posts: 39
Quote: all that matters here is how csdb handles it, not VN or some ancient notefiles. there is no standard per se.

obligatory link that shows how it was once intended: http://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt


Besides standards and if they match or not, the usefulness on CSDB also depends on the ability to search for a specific ending, but I think this is not possible, correct? At least I wasn't successful with constructs like "*+H" in CSDB's advanced search.
2020-10-18 09:17
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1457
I remember that "+"/"++"/"+++" used to be accepted as 1/2/3 trainers in the 80s but here I've been "corrected" frequently when setting something to "+D" -> oh no, it must be "+1D" if one trainer's available. In these ancient .TXT files you also find contradictions such as whether "M" is "modification" (probably the more modern definitiion) or "mega trainer" (sure rather 80s), "map" anyone, hehehe.

In addition to Groepaz' .TXT, there is
https://www.c64-wiki.de/wiki/Benutzer:H.T.W/CSDb-Tags
Don't ask me where exactly H.T.W found it, but probably in some similar discussion.

+0MFG!

@wil: One problem with searching this way is that one group might tag it "+HDF" and another group uses "+FDH"

PS: P for (title)picture versus P for passwords is another one for the list of confusion
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