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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
Release id #210249 : Pattern Finder +1D
Removed various postings from entry comments as it's once more general blahblah about what is a crack in these times.
@TheWarCriminal: You have been explained in great detail and overly politely why certain content does not belong into entry comments. However, you keep abusing comments instead of using forums and thus, generate work for moderators. Moderators' patience with you might come to an end soon. Consider yourself warned. EDIT: In case you've got a short memory, lookee here https://csdb.dk/forums/?csdbentrytype=release&csdbentry=208458&..
So here's the deleted stuff:
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Submitted by Plus -1- [PM] on 11 October 2021
This just proves there are STILL some wankers, that cruise in here THINKING they know how shit work, when in fact they have no clue! RTFM before you speak bro... Nothing to see here... "ON TO THE NEXT CRACK"
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 11 October 2021
Unsure about the weird little cabal comment; but the release for me is fine, gives people choice between a trainer or not.
The whole discussion about the definition of a crack has been regurgitated many times. e.g. https://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=7&topicid=90014#90138
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Submitted by Six [PM] on 11 October 2021
Your complaints might be better directed at whatever weird little cabal decided to change the scene rules in the 90s and 2000s so they could pretend to be crackers. Our tactic for pushing reform is to beat them at their own game. Your tactic seems to be to complain about releases - though I notice for some odd reason you managed not to take offense at the other "crack" released today.
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Submitted by Shocker [PM] on 11 October 2021
:-)
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Submitted by TheWarCriminal [PM] on 11 October 2021
really? so you just get the game from an user here and do a trainer, slap an intro and call it a crack? apparently the remainder of what little scene is left don't care about their own rules anymore. A crack requires removing protection. This is not a crack.
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 287 |
FWIW, I share TWC's opinions on what is and isn't a "crack" in the larger world. IMO if it didn't have a price tag, didn't have copy protection, it's not a "crack" anywhere but here.
That said, this redefinition of terms, this reworking of the C64 scene - all of that was done by other people long before AOD was even a group. Yes, all of our members were active in the 80s when the game was different, but none of us had a voice in these changes. The contest was implicitly changed - BY OTHER PEOPLE - from "who can break the most copy protection" to "who can train/link the most stuff no one else has trained/linked before" and we had fuck-all to do with that. The existing rules set explicitly excludes the quality of the game itself as a factor in scoring.
AOD works within the rules as they currently exist. It takes exactly the same level of skill and effort to train/link some old unprotected game as it does to download something off of itch and train/link it. All of the haters were perfectly happy vomiting out github workstages, mag games, pd games, gamebase finds, literally whatever they could lay their hands on, and crowing about their stats right up to the second someone else came along and started doing the exact same thing - only with higher productivity.
Anyone who has a problem with the rules, they would be better served directing their whining, wheedling, complaining, bitching, moaning, masturbatory fantasies, etc... at whoever makes the rules. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11136 |
Quote:- or just stay away from keyboard
TheRyk has leading |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Someone properly define IMPORT -- and I'll crack any of your cracky cracking definitions. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11136 |
Isnt that the job of you moderators? =D |
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TheWarCriminal
Account closed
Registered: May 2011
Posts: 30 |
talking about wankers. seems that there are many snowflakes on here that are afraid of being called out on it or afraid of going back to it. I am from the 80s/90s era and I know they are more who feel the same as I do. Just cause you link intros on a non commercial game (magazine, github, gb64, ect) does NOT make you a cracker. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
If you had read any replies, you would see that especially members of the group whose releases you keep picking at (AoD) don't fundamentally differ with your view crack = some kind of copyprotection removal.
Just once more in a nutshell about the database category: CSDb simply does not distinguish crack (copy protection removed) and mere mods (term I've only seen in PC scene for game modifications often without any copy protection removal necessary). And CSDb does not do that to make politics or to praise mere intro-linking as super-skilled wizardry. CSDb reflects mostly what currently active cracking groups settled on some years ago.
I'm not gonna repeat all I explained here cause I'm aware you like your readings short.
Bottom line: Things have changed, and no one forces you to like that and it's okay to differ and discuss here (in the forums), helpful would be a constructive manner, i.e. not only telling what's lame but also suggest who (CSDb? crackers?') should change what. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 446 |
Quote: Someone properly define IMPORT -- and I'll crack any of your cracky cracking definitions.
And while that someone is at it: please also explain why some prefered HANSA EXPORT over HANSA PILS or the other way around. This always confused me.
Thanx & Cheers! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11136 |
Quote:some prefered HANSA EXPORT over HANSA PILS
As someone from the 80/90s era i do not approve this |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2852 |
Quoting TheWarCriminalJust cause you link intros on a non commercial game (magazine, github, gb64, ect) does NOT make you a cracker. Crack this. =D |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 229 |
? Was something like this already done, actually:
Quickly cobble together a very simple, but working game that is releaseworthy (cough) and then hammer the disk with some very nasty copy protections.
There you have it: a cracking compo. The fastest cracker (all protections removed, bugfix, ntscfix, trainer, docs, exclusive cracktro) is then the momentary #1337 craxx0r world champion and everyone else who ticks all the boxes get a "real cracker" status and are subsequently immune to any "thats not a real crack, you're not a real cracker"-talk.
Somebody could even be so mean and spoil the cracking compo for everybody else, by releasing a deprotect-walkthrough... but what if they didn't find that super long timebomb protection? The shame - oh the shame.
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