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2023-03-14 13:13
mankeli

Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 110
Color images drawn with B&W TVs

I have heard that eons ago some masters painted sensible color images (and selected rasterbar colors) with B&W television sets. Apparently the trick was that they could identify colors from their dot crawl patterns. (And probably also helped that c64 only has 2 colors per luma level)

Can anyone remember any examples of images/demoparts made in this way?
2023-03-14 13:30
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4574
Ask the guys in Lethargy. And watch the wonderful 5 Shades of Grey that deals with this topic. :)
2023-03-14 13:50
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034
This was made on BW (green) monitor Obluda Notice the different claw colors.
2023-03-14 15:05
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017
I think the dot crawl pattern thing is just urban legend, or maybe that, and memorizing the 16 colors, and just following what you are doing. It shouldnt be impossible to just know your way in your image, or check color index in some editor.

I've heard of a few hungarian gfxers doing that back in the days of using BW yunoszty tvs for c64 stuff.
2023-03-14 15:33
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2821
I've heard that some artists made nice pictures with some pretty creative colour choices despite/because of some variant of colour blindness. =)
2023-03-14 16:16
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048
I didn't get a color tv until sometimes in 1991, so my first three productions, The New Style, 6510 Abuse and Unbounded were done on a black'n'yellow monitor and a black'n'white tv. The dot crawl pattern was very real, but mostly visible on the monitor. The greys were plainly shaded, while each of the colors had distinct patterns that you quickly learned to almost see as colors. But sometimes I cheated and moved the computer into my parents' livingroom to check stuff on their color tv.
2023-03-14 18:06
zscs

Registered: Sep 2010
Posts: 45
All of my old gfxs were made on an old Philips Computer Monitor 80 (green BW). After a while I learned the colors pretty well, especially the grey colours were really cool on that monitor.
Still have this monitor and works like a charm. :)
Back in the day, sometimes & very rarely I put the breadbox to my parents' colour TV (an old Grundig TV) to check, how the things look like in reality but I was quite happy with the green monitor. :)
2023-03-15 17:13
Jetboy

Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 209
Half of the stuff we made in Parados was done this way.
I remember painting FLI logo and having two colors switched (or more), luckily TGJSL was able to write bit switcher to solve it.
Some games done by Zephyr/Elysium were done this way.
2023-03-15 23:23
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048
This also reminds me of the Amiga demo Ray of Hope 2/Majic 12, where all the gfx is in different monochrome shades because it was done on a black & white TV. A Soviet one even.
2023-03-16 20:35
Clarence

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 119
Ollie used a green Philips monochrome monitor too for all of his pixel works up until ~1992. It was sharp enough, and he could distinguish the 16 colors on it perfectly after a few years of experience.
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