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Bamu®
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Which 6581 revision...
Hi!
Which -> 6581 <- revision sounds best? Which one has the best sounding filters?
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Yodelking
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 189 |
I agree that C-64 music sounds a lot different on real SIDchips compared to emulated SID, but saying that you're not a scener because the use of emulator is rather ridiculous. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
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And once again Murdock goes forward with his god sword, hacking down lamers!
What chip is best ?
Probably the one you used the most.
Once you're turned, there's no way back.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Quote:SIDDER: fuck you! you even are not a real scener so stick up into your emulator baybe.
We all real sceners started from something. Alot of composers used others tunes to compose their own or simply to learn how to compose. But of course you don't know that because you are not into real scene (and also HVSC doesn't mention about that sadly for you).
Mention what? That Sidder uses an emulator to compose? Does he? Does that make him less a scener than you are? Are you the one to decide who's a scener or not? And who would give a wet fart anyway?
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about HVSC and the scene in general. We're just a bunch of collectors trying to collect sids and preserve a little bit of C= history. We're not defenders of anyone's whacked scene ethics. And you just put your foot in it once more and proved your ignorance, just when people thought you'd be probably halfway grown up now... |
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Bamu®
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Ooooh nooo! I didn't want the usual discussion about 6581 Vs. 8580. :-(
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 453 |
Nata: It just had to be this way, I'm afraid. :)
I guess not many of us have enough experience to tell the differences between 6581 revisions, while that's a wider available entertainment to discuss 6581 vs. 8580. |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
6851 are just soooo different among various production series , not only revisions , so there is no direct answer to your question. we may consider 8580 as great update to this issue as there is no noticable difference beetwen 8580s, maybe except some series capable of playing digis loudly - like 6581 (I had c64 1991 with BN/E board and 8580 playing digis loud and my dying 1988 128Dcr can do loud digi also with his 8580r5) .
If I remeber properly from c64 schematics... the resistor connected to AUDIO_IN used with 6581 was removed with 8580 (and about 200-400k resistor connected beetwen AUDIO_IN and GND with 8580 is known as digi boost) ... maybe it was just the mod which removed the volume change click and just disallowed loud digis?
one tune by Booker came to my mind - he composed it on real 6581r4 (ar?) and as I suppose his chip is so strange that it sounds rather close to 8580 . you may hear this in his "Are You Satisfied ? (idleness)" tune. I have OGG recording from his sid chip if anyone is interested.
comment from that stream:
"A preview of this tune was sent to www.c64.sk SID COMPO 4. Funny that I had to spread it as written in 8580 because reSID played filters at too low frequency with some icking, but originally it has been made with 6581R4. This tune has been recorded from my C-64, therefore you might notice a background noise generated by originall VIC & SID chips." |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
I think musicians should limit themselves to tunes consiting of only simple beep sounds and white noise drums. Then they gotta sound the same on all SID chips. :o) |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
I believe I once heard or read somewhere the the 6581R4AR chips should be just as equal in quality as the 8580. Can anyone confirm this?
Unfortunately it's not easy for me to get my hands on say 10 AR chips to actually test this myself :-/ |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
@sidder: waves $50 and $60 works just fine on my 6581r4.... but those waves are quite boring... you don't need those to do something special.... just check what I've been doing sondwise over the years... only used wave $50 a few times.
but 6581 or 8580... seems to be a matter of taste or what you're used to... I just hate the stupid cut-off curves in 8580... makes no sense at all.
Also one more thing, which again has something to do with what you like or are used to... 6581 filters sound more "warm" to me, whereas 8580 sound a bit more "plastic".
A positive thing about 8580 is that you can switch filtertypes more smooth than on 6581, it seems.
But I know what I like..... www.6581.dk
;-)
@Cruzer: I think coders should limit themselves to only using ASL,BRK and NOP ;-) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Quote: I think musicians should limit themselves to tunes consiting of only simple beep sounds and white noise drums. Then they gotta sound the same on all SID chips. :o)
Or accept the fact that the tunes sound differently on different sids. |
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