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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
Merge votes between multiple linked handles
For quite some time I was urging to start a topic on merging votes between multiple handles linked to each other, to give a more realistic rank for an actual scener, regardless on how many handles it used.
Seeing all the credits moved from RRFreelance to Robert Ramsay, yet currently seeing RRFreelance being ranked #2 as Graphican in the charts, just makes it all look broke and misleading.
So, time to debate... what do you think about merging votes? |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
Nothing - delete them all. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3191 |
I give you an example why this should not be done: A person could have one fake identity to make silly shit, and a serious identity used to make good stuff. I don't want to give 10 to both, I want to be able to vote 1 for the handle making shit and 10 for the excellent serious scener. Same goes for a lamer in his teen age that finally after years changed handle and started making good stuff.
And before you question, no, it's not just hypothetical, there are plenty. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
So much potential in this set-up. Musician celebrity showdown: Conrad vs CRD, Jeff vs Soren, MacMagix vs Reyn. And so on, and so on. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
What Count said. What's stopping it? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: What Count said. What's stopping it?
Votes here are somehow really, really important for some users, with a obvious backside: Drama Galore and hurt feelings if someone votes lower than, like 8, sometimes 9.
In my opinion votes can be useful for top lists, but then again: people who don't think the top list reflect their own personal top lists are seriously downvoting top notch stuff to "get it right", which then provoke others to do the same, etc etc. That goes for scener votes too. People are downvoting others because of personal hate etc. It's like kindergarden.
The voting system only has one real function that works: CSDb online compos, and that is accidental. CSDb was not built to host these at all.
In my personal dream world I would get rid of the voting system. It creates too much drama, and the system is flawed. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2240 |
Quoting hedning...
The voting system only has one real function that works: CSDb online compos ...
Even that is debatable
Quoting hedning...
In my personal dream world I would get rid of the voting system. It creates too much drama, ... Like most mods I totally agree - once again like on any Groundhog Day
Would be great if torn dresses and exchange of well-known arguments are enough this time, it's always somewhat painful to see ppl freak out, ragequit and/or get banned because of that silly old topic, as the debate's so useless |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
Using the voting for online compos is weird too…
People will vote to make sure that their favourite entry wins a compo… but if all the entries in a compo are shit, you then end up with shit getting scores of “10” because one shitty entry is slightly less shit than all the other entries.
The regular voting is also borked.
Hell, what is a 10? For me, the old Crest demos, Light, Horizon, etc etc.. I’ll always prefer those to modern demos. Modern demos might be more polished … but we sit behind PCs with 1000s times more performance than we had in the 80s coding on Expert Cartridge etc…
So, yeah, the charts are all bullshit really.
But… if CSDb has no charts… it loses a lot too. Because the charts are an easy way to find awesome demos … like Memento Mori and Edge of Disgrace ;-) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
Also… it would be possibly unfair on Robert Ramsay to vote based on the RRFreelance releases… he didn’t ask for these to be released, he simply put them on the web, in PNG format (not a native C64 executable format and therefore not a “release”) as a demonstration of methods, of his toolsets, etc… he didn’t want the images released, but someone else released them now, so it seems unfair that those images could drag his rating down.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Charts have been part of the scene almost since the beginning. All of them have been biased and dramatic anyway, CSDb can be just as borked.
Btw, I tried upvoting Memento Mori, but it had no impact on the final result, *shrug*. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
So it seems the majority of the mods agree. So what IS stopping it? Kindergarden indeed :) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
It will make a nice experiment to remove the voting system, but I fear the mods will loose their jobs, because this place becomes alot less exciting. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
It would remove a whole lot of drama, that's for sure. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Quote: So it seems the majority of the mods agree. So what IS stopping it? Kindergarden indeed :)
Six mods agreed to remove votes ~2 years ago
We approached Perff
and nothing meaningful happened from that point forward
Sound familiar? |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229 |
If you remove votes, can my 52274 ones atleast count for, maybe an icecream,
a bottle of good whiskey or perhaps a ticket to Oslo.
I mean many Cooperations still have this value system, COOP, Hemköp,
ICA whathaveyou in Sweden. I want value ! :D |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Inflation has made your 50k votes pretty worthless, I think. Sad story. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229 |
Hahaha, I guess it has become! |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
recode votes. just a "like", and you can not vote for your own stuff and if you are in the same group the product has been done.
make an popular -> last 7 days
last month
last year.
so new stuff get attention too
done ;) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: It will make a nice experiment to remove the voting system, but I fear the mods will loose their jobs, because this place becomes alot less exciting.
Yup. 90% of our job has been to calm down voting drama queens, mass deleters and rage quitters during the years. We won't be needed after votes (and comments! Don't forget comments - they can hurt too!) are gone. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
changing it to something using just "like" (or thumb up/down like on pouet) would indeed be a huge improvement. Actually pouet does most vote related things so much better than csdb - don't think it has less drama though :) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Agree with removing the voting system completely. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
Well, the topic quickly changed to the usual "Remove or keep voting system" debate, so I give in...
Yes, remove the voting system! I think comments should stay though, especially Production Info / Trivia / Summary.
To those who love & endorse votes... make a Chart/Ranks demo about it... there's a "C64 Chart" type just for this.
Cheers. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Oh, my sweet summer child.
What makes you think that anything will be fixed here related to the voting system?
It's fucked up beyond repair for more than two decades and no one at all who would be able to make a change cares about it. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
na, removing it completly would make it hard for people, new people, to find good stuff in this nearly endless mass of releases.
so yes, a like system, where you can not vote for yourself or a release of your group would be top.
let you filter by total, last 7 days, last month, last year. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2240 |
Quoting JoeIf you remove votes, can my 52274 ones atleast count for, maybe ... a bottle of good whiskey ...
I've got some 11K votes but I don't care at all if they're gone, keep voting just out of bad habit.
We can share a bottle of Schnaps at X (I provide it), but you must drink 5 times as much of it than me, then, of course |
