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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Additonal categories
Hello,
Is there any chance that in the nearest future additional categories of releases will be added?
I mean:
128b intro
512b intro
basic screen fader
maybe 64b, 32b, 16b...
Best regards
Gordian |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 368 |
Quoting Gordian... any chance that in the nearest future ...
Well, i would not bet on this. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
basic fader ? really ? :D but not much less pointless the rest of it |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Really.
Look at the categories assigned to releases presented at LoveByte 2024: Lovebyte 2024
And Basic Screen Fader productions at Transmission 2023 -> C64 Fast Intro. Really? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3191 |
That's compo categories you want, not release types. Distinct matters. |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
CSDb has different compo categories and releases types?
What is difference between 32b release presented at "32 Byte Intro Oldschool" compo category? |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2240 |
totally depends on rules of that compo at the party in question
and now you need to be brave, when I tell you the compo categories here on CSDb are often only abused to define an extra category for a compo for which no CSDb category seemed to fit ^^ |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Ah, they are different indeed. I didn't know.
But I think missing categories should be added. To which one - I don't know, but at this moment there is no possibility to find all of either 128 byte intros and 512b intros and basic screen faders, etc. Only via name phrase. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2240 |
weren't all "screen fader" compos so far hosted by Transmission?
Not sooo hard to find, then...
https://csdb.dk/search/?seinsel=events&search=transmission&Go.x..
That said, of course you do have a point that current categories might have room for improvement... |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Quote: weren't all "screen fader" compos so far hosted by Transmission?
Not sooo hard to find, then...
https://csdb.dk/search/?seinsel=events&search=transmission&Go.x..
That said, of course you do have a point that current categories might have room for improvement...
Yes. This is actual way to find this type.
But for me would be nice to have separated release?/compo? type. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: Really.
Look at the categories assigned to releases presented at LoveByte 2024: Lovebyte 2024
And Basic Screen Fader productions at Transmission 2023 -> C64 Fast Intro. Really?
thing is you can add new categories until the end of the world, new ones will be needed always, and some releases may fit into more categories etc. It will be a mess of hundreds categories if you go down this route.
at some point you just must decide and say okay, its enough.
basic fader and 8 byte 64 byte etc are such a niche category that "intro" or whatever that already exists is good enough for it.
some years ago there was a compo about writing a short code that creates a new font out of the ROM font, shall we now have a "romfontcreator" category?
No. Same goes for basic fader, screen fader, picture fader, sprite fade and my ass fader.
Also the discussion about this is just academic, be aware that csdb is not really being updated in any way (afaik) since decades, its just being kept alive, and input like this is not welcome by the guys running it usually in any way. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:my ass fader
That actually calls for a compo! |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
32b INTRO *rofl*
Actually it would be more likely to REMOVE crappy categoriesand move current entries to a more generic category.
Whats the problem putting some kickass 32b INTRO entry as a C64 *INTRO*? Too little attention on some statwank?
We'll discuss the term "intro" elsewhere then... |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Quote:Whats the problem putting some kickass 32b INTRO entry as a C64 *INTRO*?
So why do exists categories like "1K intro", "256b intro", "Fake demo", "4K game", "Basic demo"(?)
It would be nice to have some way to filter releases to get desired results.
If not categories, maybe tags... But I know, I can add new tags until the end of the world.
To summarize the discussion, any changes are not expected, and we can keep in this state... |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
CSDb needs less categories, not more |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:Quote:
my ass fader
That actually calls for a compo!
Somebody please do this. |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251 |
i'd prefer instead, that, for cracks it would be mandatory to add "copy protection removed:" with a drop down list of known copy protections, default: "none" |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
I second what ws just suggested. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2240 |
Quote: CSDb needs less categories, not more
To me, both views can make sense.
But as the new thing is author-decides-if-a-one-file-demo-is-set-Music/Graphics/Intro, anyway, I don't really see how additional categories are going to get us anywhere... reacting to that trend would rather involve possibility of setting unlimited flags/categories... But if everything is set belonging all categories, the question is, wouldn't this be against the whole concept of the term "category"?
plus what oswald sez about acadamic nature of this discussion... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 487 |
Quote: i'd prefer instead, that, for cracks it would be mandatory to add "copy protection removed:" with a drop down list of known copy protections, default: "none"
This would presuppose qualified categorisation of thousands of entries. Are you the volunteer to walk through all crack entries and qualify them by the copy protections and if it was really cracked or just worked around. I'd call you Sysiphus if you want to do that. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
I will, there's plenty of my own releases that don't deserve the "crack" moniker, but I don't have any choice what to call them.
Most of these arguments come from people who don't want to put the effort forth to have a proper db. It's a big job and people are supposed to help with it from the community. But then you get all these people who either just want a data dump for whatever, or people who have strange ideas, or others who get their jimmies in a tussle if you dare to change something on one of their releases because ego over accuracy. Or tradition over logic.
It's the same argument about what is scene, or what is a demo, or what is a crack. To me it's all or nothing, because you can't categorize everything. There's also the exclusionary snobbery that has always been in the scene, be it crackers being snobs about what is best practices and who is lame or elite, or demo sceners being snobs about how they are so much better than cracking scene, or phreakers and swappers being snobs about how important they are to the scene.
Does it matter? Is it a db or a place to show off? Sometimes I wonder what the point is when talking to staff about it, they seem at odds too about everything. Especially when the rules are the rules, except when they aren't. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
For many years now its been a "team" of maybe ten or fifteen people making any real effort here. Plenty of people come and go promising they'll do this or that and in the end nothing comes of it.
Less categories, not more |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251 |
Additional -- HEAR ME OUT -- features request...
If you list a group, you can sort the list by "number of downloads", "csdb rating", "release date", "date added" and also "release type", release date being default.
That would be extremely helpful.
Thanks for reading.
Now: FIGHT. |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Yes, we need more details and tags on cracks, and definitely less categories for demoscene releases.
I mean, talking about the current state of crackscene and demoscene, the output and activity on both, that is definitely an answer to a burning need from the community.
Are you guys fucking serious?
By the way, I would gladly exchange all that for tags/option for tools, because if we want more releases and activity, the search for tools is fucking colonoscopy without anesthesia. I asked for it years ago, was informed this is "not feasible", then saw constant improvements on options for cracks. Well, I guess again depends who's asking for what. For some important people on CSDb demoscene will apparently always be a poor, retarded cousin of the mighty crackscene. Because it is fucking crucial to have "preview" or "onefiled" (!) tags on cracks, not something that distinguishes packers from gfx editors when you are looking for one.
https://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=5&topicid=88071#88227
Thirteen fucking years. |
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KLR
Administrator
Registered: May 2001
Posts: 67 |
I hear you and will look into it. |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Quoting KLRI hear you and will look into it.
I do appreciate this, thanks! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Thirteen fucking years.
Quote:I hear you and will look into it.
mandatory link: https://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt |
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KLR
Administrator
Registered: May 2001
Posts: 67 |
Quote: Quote:Thirteen fucking years.
Quote:I hear you and will look into it.
mandatory link: https://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt
👍 |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
.preview. - unfinished preview
what about a finished preview? :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: .preview. - unfinished preview
what about a finished preview? :)
also dont forget ntsc fixed, imported, recracked, trained previews, and previews with basic faders. |
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Gordian
Registered: May 2022
Posts: 80 |
Quote: also dont forget ntsc fixed, imported, recracked, trained previews, and previews with basic faders.
You forgot crack in the assfader...;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:also dont forget ntsc fixed, imported, recracked, trained previews
that is all covered |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Quoting chatGPZ
mandatory link: https://hitmen.c02.at/temp/cracktags-draft.txt
In the 13 fucking years thread I linked there is this work done, by the way. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
I agree with you 100% wacek, I make tools and look for them all the time and it's torture... so is finding things for PC or c64 and c128. It's also hard to find stuff for SuperCPU, REU tools, etc etc. I'd much rather have tags than types for searching. |
