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2007-01-16 21:30

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1033

timbalamer

this is so yesterdays news, but how the hell is it possible nobody cared to open a thread about this here?

everyone else did!

http://www.pelulamu.net/timbaland/

The Tempest track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/tempest_acidjazz.mp3
The GRG C64 version is here -> http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Blues_Muz/Gallefoss_Glenn/A..
The Furtado track is here -> http://www.limpninja.com/acidjazz/furtado_doit.mp3

You can also see a Youtube video comparing the tracks here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q

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2007-01-17 14:49

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1033

Quote: afterall instead of being angry, I'm proud that the scene I'm part of is capable to produce material thats worth to ripp off :) Its also interesting to note that timbaland has a sort of sidcard ;)

totally agree. oh and btw, the sidstation was already identified by many, in a prominent place in his studio.

and jayce, its all about commercial vs non-commercial, creditting the creator vs ripping and calling it your own.

its the same reason why people like wanderer, moskwa tv and crossfire got slated in our precious scene.

2007-01-17 15:07

Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933

I think it is quite hypocrit of the crackers in this thread to suddenly act like good citizens. I understand the difference between commercially ripping off, and ripping for amateur pleasure, still, crackers are helping themselves only, not the producers of the games, nor the developers (if they get any royalties at all, ofcourse), and it's not that they give credit to the original authors that often. I think if Tempest decides to sue, he may consider the fact he is part of a cracking scene doesn't make his case stronger. It is wise of him to elaborate so little on his page about this matter. I personally would think twice before sueing, and most certainly try to keep the gossip as small as possible.

If it is about artistic credits, and not about the money, heck, beat him up.

2007-01-17 15:08

Thunder.Bird

Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 109

Cool link, Steppe! Very interesting usercomments and some very (!) usefull links in the comments, as well!! :-)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=119..
I just ordered the Album "Audion" from Synergy. The Song "Shibolet" was an intention for Rob Hubbard's masterpiece "Master of Magic". You see, this way it had been allright.
In my opinion, Timbaland should at least pay a huge amount of C64 Hardware to GRG ...or something like that ;)

2007-01-17 15:11

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568

Quote:

I think it is quite hypocrit of the crackers in this thread to suddenly act like good citizens.

This might be a bit out of context as (real) cracking is all about reverse enginering and techno-anarchism ("data must be free!") and not about ripping and stealing others code/graphics and making money with that.

But please continue...

2007-01-17 15:20

Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933

Now thats a typical cracker attitude, luring me out of my tent, eh??

'Data must be free'... pffff.. right, if the developer of a game thinks the same, he would have mentioned that, wouldn't he? I don't think that oneliner is the motivation for cracking. It's purely pleasure, beating the protection, and as you mentioned, reverse engineering, solving a puzzle.

2007-01-17 16:14

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1033

Quote: I think it is quite hypocrit of the crackers in this thread to suddenly act like good citizens. I understand the difference between commercially ripping off, and ripping for amateur pleasure, still, crackers are helping themselves only, not the producers of the games, nor the developers (if they get any royalties at all, ofcourse), and it's not that they give credit to the original authors that often. I think if Tempest decides to sue, he may consider the fact he is part of a cracking scene doesn't make his case stronger. It is wise of him to elaborate so little on his page about this matter. I personally would think twice before sueing, and most certainly try to keep the gossip as small as possible.

If it is about artistic credits, and not about the money, heck, beat him up.

ARE YOU CALLING ME A HYPOCRIT?!?

hell, I am! ;)

2007-01-17 17:10

fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

csdb eated my original huge post quoting lots of examples of this, instead i just want to say the polite thing to do in the music biz is to at least have their name in the tune. ie: Kenny "dope" Gonzales presents The BucketHeads - The Bomb .. David Morales presents The Face - Needin' You.

I only found out who this wimp was tonight, I thought timberland made shoes. i'm up for a drive by as long as the Outrun theme is playing.

2007-01-17 22:20

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035

Hein I respect you as a musician but I don't agree with your points. IMO, Tempest should GET all the credit for the tune and financial compenstation for rip off of his melody etc. And GRG should get the credit financial compensation for unauthorised usage of part (if not complete) of his SID arrangement of AcidJazz Evening in Timnbalands commercial track for Nelly Furtado. Tempest and GRG never did this for money but their intelectual property was stolen. Let's leave the "cracking scene" alone. Composing music is legal and both authors did it for legal releases.

2007-01-18 00:57

fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

Quote: Hein I respect you as a musician but I don't agree with your points. IMO, Tempest should GET all the credit for the tune and financial compenstation for rip off of his melody etc. And GRG should get the credit financial compensation for unauthorised usage of part (if not complete) of his SID arrangement of AcidJazz Evening in Timnbalands commercial track for Nelly Furtado. Tempest and GRG never did this for money but their intelectual property was stolen. Let's leave the "cracking scene" alone. Composing music is legal and both authors did it for legal releases.

The best way to describe this would be to use the history of the amen break as an example. In 1969, while we were all drawing stick figures in dirt and putting rocks where the boobies would go, a group called the Winstons made a song on the flipside of a record with a pretty neat drum solo.

The drum beat was cool and was sampled by a few dudes and made famous in the tune Straight Outta Compton by nwa. It also spawned a few genres of music, well tecknoes, which is like music but differents.

Drummer dude never got any royalties from this, or any of the tens of thousands of tunes resulting in the underground Jungle scene. Eventually, he was was approached and didn't care and yet was happy so many people enjoyed what he had made.

What makes it so much more fun, is that a company in England owns the rights to this bassline, albiet pitched up in speed.

There was plenty of cases in 1991/2 of people getting away with pitching up house music vocals to sound like chipmunks, cases were thrown out of court. People will always do this because they lack the various talent to something as minute as c-5,.. c-5, e-5, c-5,.. to a dull sound. It's wrong but hell everyone does it. Never loaded up someone elses tune and loaded or changed a wavetable? :)
I still have dozens of cases in my zombie brain of stuff like this, but that's another story for another time.

2007-01-18 04:11

Style

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498

/me fires up the ferrari and pops the Outrun soundtrack CD into the stereo...

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