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2003-05-29 22:40
jailbird

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Yugoslavia

There's no such thing any more (legally, politically, physically, nor any other way).
Rather use Serbia & Montenegro as an option in that drop-down menu.
 
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2007-01-27 22:25
Rough
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I don't care if you are Yugoslavian, Chinese or Bolivian. The only thing which often is obvious in your posts that you are a poor idiot.

Fact is the ultra nationalists are the party with the highest percentage of votes, if they will receive the main part of the future government isnt settled yet afaik.

Actually if you are trying to put an argument with "totally miss the point" declare which point I missed. I see no reason why you are whining constantly in posts about the former Yugoslavia, even want the CSDB maintainers to exclude it from choice for releases. Fact is that state existed and fact is C64 software was used and written in its territory.
2007-01-27 22:34
jailbird

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I don't see releases divided to East- and West-Germany neither. So according to your logic, since both countries existed somewhere in history, we could include them to the lists as well. And the same would apply for the Soviet Union or Czech-Slovakia.

Re-read my post, please. The ultra-nationalists will have 28% in the gouverment. Whatever their ideas are, ~70% of the democrats/liberals will oppose it. The majority decides and democrats set the ministration. That's how the Serbian gouverment works.

If I offended you or your views in any way, I'm sorry, but I still don't get it why do you insult me. I think I'm not the one to blame for your lack of knowledge considering the history of Yugoslavia or the current situation in Serbia.

Edit: I only asked to include Serbia and Montenegro (see, I didn't even wanted them separately those days since the country existed by that name) to the list for being more accurate considering the details about sceners from this region. Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia were already on the list. I had no political reasons or whatsoever. So chill, really, no need for such a harsh fight about the name of my country. If we'll meet once, I'll buy you a beer and we'll laugh about it. :)

Plus, now as I checked it, Yugoslavia is still on the dropdown list so there was absolutely no sensible reason for your attack. You just made me sad, need to hug Elmo now, that's what poor idiots do when they cry :'(
2007-01-27 23:41
Rough
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Quote: I don't see releases divided to East- and West-Germany neither. So according to your logic, since both countries existed somewhere in history, we could include them to the lists as well. And the same would apply for the Soviet Union or Czech-Slovakia.

Re-read my post, please. The ultra-nationalists will have 28% in the gouverment. Whatever their ideas are, ~70% of the democrats/liberals will oppose it. The majority decides and democrats set the ministration. That's how the Serbian gouverment works.

If I offended you or your views in any way, I'm sorry, but I still don't get it why do you insult me. I think I'm not the one to blame for your lack of knowledge considering the history of Yugoslavia or the current situation in Serbia.

Edit: I only asked to include Serbia and Montenegro (see, I didn't even wanted them separately those days since the country existed by that name) to the list for being more accurate considering the details about sceners from this region. Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia were already on the list. I had no political reasons or whatsoever. So chill, really, no need for such a harsh fight about the name of my country. If we'll meet once, I'll buy you a beer and we'll laugh about it. :)

Plus, now as I checked it, Yugoslavia is still on the dropdown list so there was absolutely no sensible reason for your attack. You just made me sad, need to hug Elmo now, that's what poor idiots do when they cry :'(


Actually it should be considered to put the USSR, Czechoslavia and the GDR as entry possibilites, for the later I dont know if there 64 releases from before October 1989, but as the GDR existed one more year and there are Dytec releases from pre-October 1990 it should be added.

Furthermore there's no evidence that I have lack of knowledge about Serbia in the topic I was referring to, (to repeat) the Radical party has won the election, I didnt not say they're gonna be the major part of the future government. Coaliation talks are in progress and we will see. Actually I don't know about the inner country political topics currently going on in Serbia but I strongly support Kosova remaining part of Serbia, I dont want a Facist-Muslim state (not only close to me, but nowhere, not in Kosova, not in Indonesia, not in Iran)

As I doubt we'll ever meet one day I hand you a virtual beer over (which isnt too much though...) 8)
2007-01-27 23:50
Rough
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GDR/FRG dividing. (addressing to everyone)

One could argue before October 3rd 1990 99% of German releases should be put into an extra category for West-Germany.

But the so-called re-unity of Germany wasnt actually one in the meaning of the word, it would mean GDR and FRG were talk partners of the same level and possibilites, that's not true, after the fall-down of the Communist government it was obvious the GDR will be connected to the FRG although there were voices saying why not keeping the GDR trying to take the good parts of the Capitalist FRG (like economical wealth) and the good parts of theoretical Communism (workers rights, womens rights etc. for those who dont know womens rights in the GDR were more advanced than in the FRG, former GDR women were often surprised how many women in the FRG were still in the traditional role of house-wives ("cooking, cleaning, getting fucked.."), oh well, I'm getting 64 off-topic, all I want to say the GDR was added to the FRG and not both united.
2007-01-27 23:55
jailbird

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Quote:
I strongly support Kosova remaining part of Serbia

In that case, ultra-nationalists (aka Radicals) in the Serbian gouverment is a good news for you as they're the only ones who are sharing your idea :) I'm quite sure that the only peaceful solution is an autonomy with strong international presence. And that will probably be the case, but ask me in a year or two.

Btw. I must agree that including ex-countries for historical purposes to the list is not a bad idea at all. For releases and events, that is. *Looking in the way of Perff*
2007-01-28 00:38
The Overkiller
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They were all colonies of the mighty roman empire. Buhuhahhahaaha :)
2007-01-28 01:07
jailbird

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Actually I wish I was living in Italy instead of this garbage heap. I adore pasta, Vespa and Italian girls (as seen on Rai Uno).
2007-01-28 02:15
Rough
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Autonomy with international presence is currently the case. Or do you mean an own state with "autonomy"? In that case it will be difficult to argue why the UN or the NATO should install their forces in an independent country for a longer time than it already does. Also I don't call international presence a peaceful solution. Furthermore an independent Kosova will increase the discrimination of Serbs, Jews, Roma-Sinti and all other 'non-Islamic/Kosova ethic' groups in that area.

I hardly know anything about the Radical party goals but I heard they tend to racist ideas, which concludes altogether I'd prefer the Democratic coalition as government, cos I doubt the Serbian politics and the UN will leave Kosova into independency anyhow.
2007-01-28 04:10
jailbird

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Quote:
Autonomy with international presence is currently the case. Or do you mean an own state with "autonomy"?
Kosovo is not an autonomy in its current state (it was, from 1945 till the end of the eigthies), but a province of Serbia (just like Vojvodina - the northern part of Serbia), without the rights of a territorial, political or economical autonomy.

The deal is, Ahtisaari will soon propose a limited suverenity of Kosovo with political and economical authorities but with strong guarantees for the minorities (also note that the actual proposition is still mostly unknown, so it's mainly random guessing going on). The whole idea will probably grow into a full independency of Kosovo, and Kostunica even declined to meet Ahtisaari when he announced his visit to Belgrade.
What you might not be awared of is the other side of the story: that the major part of the Serbian gouverment is actually not against the independency, the catch is that they wouldn't like to let it happen during their mandate as it would decrease their popularity - and believe me, that's the only motive for their hesitation.

Serbia will have problems with Kosovo till the end of time, and it seems they have learned their lessons from Croatia and Bosnia. They still tend to argue and fight, but give up in the end for their own good. Only the Radicals stick to it due to historical/etnical reasons - there is no other "logical" explanation for holding to Kosovo as they don't gain anything from the territory.

So under the term "autonomy" I mean Kosovo remaining as a part of Serbia, but with autonomic gouverment and economy with the remaining presence of NATO forces, there is no other way to solve the situation than this. Except for (limited) independence - well, the difference is mainly in the legal term as Kosovo is already in the hand of the Albanians.

By the way, up to my knowledge Radicals are not racist (however it's a high probablitity that there are many racists amongst them) but nationalists. They don't differentiate people by their skin-color, yet by their nationality. Both are lunatic ideas but still, there was even a black guy in their party for some years. I'm not sure if he was Serb, though. :D
2007-01-28 06:47
The Overkiller
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Serbian radicals are national-communists imho. At least they're "nephews" of Tito.
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