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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
Repeal Anonymous Voting
Anonymous voting allows cowards to abuse the voting system. People downvote like sneaky little bastards. If you are voting for a person, group or release and you feel that your particular vote is how you honestly feel then there is no reason to conceal your vote. Repealing anonymous voting would weed out a large portion of the downvoters. |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
So, let people keep their anonymous voting. I'm not suggesting removal as people obviously find it to be a splendid idea to let a minority abuse the votesystem - I just want to be able to ignore all the anonymous votes and set my view to "only view registered votes".
So, how about adding something like "WHERE voter.id <> -1 AND loggedinuser.showanonymous = FALSE" to the code?
That way us grumpy old whiners can filter out the anonymous voters. |
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Testa
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197 |
anonymous voting is lame.. dont you have the balls to show your selfs?... come on... life and die like a man!
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
Eh, it'd be interesting to have two scores for each production (one including anons, one not). Better yet, to see a scatter plot of one against the other, to see if it really affects the rankings, or just adds an overall bias.
As for upvotes and down votes, as various people have said they tend to be drowned out if enough people vote sensibly. I do prefer having a range of possible votes over a simple like/dislike.
Perhaps an alternate "solution" would be to place more weight on votes in the middle of the range? Either with something coarse like an interquartile mean (though this would be pretty meaningless if there are only a few votes), or something more sophisticated like sorting all the votes into order, and weighting each vote by (eg) t*(1-t), where t is (sorted vote index+0.5)/votecount.
The current weighting system is really quite mysterious; I'm pretty sure I've seen a production's score decrease after someone added a vote higher than the previous score..
(ETA haha, I should have hit refresh before posting on a page I loaded hours ago. Credit to Glasnost for suggesting much the same idea as my proposed solution. Down with outliers!) |
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Testa
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197 |
live and die like a man!..
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
I don't want public voting to take revenge, but because people generally act differently in public than in private. So I predict that most unreasonable votes will disappear by themselves. Personally I couldn't care less about rankings and stuff like that these days, but e.g. for CSDB-based compos it's a shame to see anonymous downvoters trying to screw with the results. |
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Ejner
Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 43 |
Being fairly new on CSDb and kindof re-entering the c64 scene here, I quickly noticed just how competitive the c64 scene seems to be around here. Competition is ok for those who wish to compete, but others might just want some good old c64 fun without being judged. Making votes optional for each release could be an idea? Or replace them with "likes"? which is more supportive rather than the low anonymous demoralising votes.
And as mentioned by many others, the anonymous votes often aren't fair, it seems there is some serious downvoting going on, but seemingly also some upvoting on own or groupmember's releases is taking place... Good for the big groups of course, but not really objective is it?
I too am a big fan of transparent, fair voting.
Just my 2 cents... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
<Post edited by chatGPZ on 28/2-2013 23:45>
Quote:for CSDB-based compos it's a shame to see anonymous downvoters trying to screw with the results
that however is the fault of those who think csdb is a suitable platform to organize voting for a compo. (interestingly, voting at most other compos is anonymous too... strange eh) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2583 |
Quote: I sense the problem (if you can really call it a problem), is that some people are not voting what they really think of the product before first looking at the average (or what other people have voted) and then trying to down-/upvote it making the average fit more into their taste..
I had this thought too (and even though I'm trying, I can't say I am completely away from it when voting myself); for this I would have a suggestion: like with many online polls, how about showing the voting result only _after_ you have voted yourself? So at least you would be forced to really vote on the product, and not on what other people voted on it before. (It would also include not being able to change your vote afterwards, so you have to put thought into it, as it is final). |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Quoting Groepazthat however is the fault of those who think csdb is a suitable platform to organize voting for a compo. (interestingly, voting at most other compos is anonymous too... strange eh) So that means CSDB is a perfectly suitable platform for compos, doesn't it? :) |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Quote: Quote:for CSDB-based compos it's a shame to see anonymous downvoters trying to screw with the results
that however is the fault of those who think csdb is a suitable platform to organize voting for a compo. (interestingly, voting at most other compos is anonymous too... strange eh)
Regarding your last comment and your way earlier comments comparing CSDb-specific voting to other voting-platforms:
One of the main differences is that the outcome of the voting is kept secret until the voting is finished. Tactical voting and downvoting is limited to wild speculations. Furthermore, a normal compo finishes at a date and after the deadline no more votes are accepted. So much for strangeness.
Oh yes - none of the above applies to CSDb voting. |
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