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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
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Why do some of you hide your votes? HMM? this makes no sense. And stop downvoting people just because you do not like them.
This database is supposed to be accurate, not a place for you to continue with your stupid grudges and scene wars.
a note to perff: since Secret Man, WDR etc have been deleted from this, I think you should also remove all their votes.
and get rid of this hidden voting, if people cannot publicy stand by their vote choices, then they shouldn't be voting at all.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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Because they were hand counted. They were checked for correctness (completeness? whateveR) and the fraud was almost impossible. Can you imagine sending 50 votesheets pretending that they are coming from different persons. Would you pay for such postage? Would you be so naive to believe that such attempt would stay unnoticed, or even unannounced? Votes stayed anonymous, yes, but the person who counted them knew the sources and could spot any anomaly quite easily.
i have to repeat myself again: public votes will not solve this, what you really want is linking every user account to a scener entry.
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After all there are rules about behaviour here and believe it or not it's quite easy to recognise retaliatory vote from fair 1.
i voted a 1 as "public relation manager" after all the craptalk happened. imho that was very justified =)
however that was just an example of how "public" (in this case, visible to admins) votes only cause more unwanted behaviour. if there is already one nutcase out of 10 (or so so) admins, then i don't want to know how many fruitcakes come out of 3000+ users :=)
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Linking user accout to scener entry - I like this idea very much, but Perff would complaint that some users aren't real sceners and that if he disallowed them o vote there would be less votes. I also think that there is possibility for attempts for "takeovers" of abbandoned handles from people wanting to manipulate votes from multiple fake accounts.
Quote:i voted a 1 as "public relation manager" after all the craptalk happened. imho that was very justified =)
That's why I don't complaint. Although I'm sure there are sceners who know Mac as someone who gave them motivation or enough "bugging" to bring their stuff out etc. I'm sure Mac thought he is doing good "public realitons". Well, it's a bit sensitive topic actually. Mac is still doing c64.sk news and stuff and he is doing it good. I would say.. if you do something, it's possible that you will also do some mistakes. That's quite natural. Yet, it's important to be able to bear the responsibility when you did them.
Quote:however that was just an example of how "public" (in this case, visible to admins) votes only cause more unwanted behaviour. if there is already one nutcase out of 10 (or so so) admins, then i don't want to know how many fruitcakes come out of 3000+ users :=)
Yep. I understand your motivation behind arguments defending anonymous votes.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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Linking user accout to scener entry - I like this idea very much, but Perff would complaint that some users aren't real sceners and that if he disallowed them o vote there would be less votes. I also think that there is possibility for attempts for "takeovers" of abbandoned handles from people wanting to manipulate votes from multiple fake accounts.
a) if this is a scene database, then it should be no problem linking every user with a scener profile. people that have no background in the scene and who dont want to be part of it can go to pouet or something
b) there are always reasons for abuse, obviously. however its surely easier to identify someone who wrongly associates himself with a certain profile than someone who just creates an account not associated with anything at all.
imho the accounts not linked to any scener profiles are much more of a problem than a couple of anonymous votes.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
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Linking user accout to scener entry - I like this idea very much, but Perff would complaint that some users aren't real sceners and that if he disallowed them o vote there would be less votes. I also think that there is possibility for attempts for "takeovers" of abbandoned handles from people wanting to manipulate votes from multiple fake accounts.
a) if this is a scene database, then it should be no problem linking every user with a scener profile. people that have no background in the scene and who dont want to be part of it can go to pouet or something
b) there are always reasons for abuse, obviously. however its surely easier to identify someone who wrongly associates himself with a certain profile than someone who just creates an account not associated with anything at all.
imho the accounts not linked to any scener profiles are much more of a problem than a couple of anonymous votes.
Yes I agree with Linking user accout to scener entry it's a good idea. (Repetitio est mater studiorum) |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
Then why not simply make it a POINTS system like old times.
1=1
2=2
10=10
etc
this is better than stupid percentages which are only for money!
u add all the points and divide by number of votes, to obtain a proper percentage, the math is FLAWED.
HELLO :D
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
that actually makes sense, and at the same time doesnt :) if a lot of people vote "1" for a certain entry it could climb higher in the charts than another entry which gets only "10" votes, just 10 times less. it *would* resemble the good old mag charts though :) |
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BAR.
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
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Linking user accout to scener entry - I like this idea very much, but Perff would complaint that some users aren't real sceners and that if he disallowed them o vote there would be less votes.
If you have some problems because you're not linked to a
scener group, simply join a group.
If you have problems to find one, contact me. :)
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote: that actually makes sense, and at the same time doesnt :) if a lot of people vote "1" for a certain entry it could climb higher in the charts than another entry which gets only "10" votes, just 10 times less. it *would* resemble the good old mag charts though :)
Actually I wouldn't mind if there were such ranks. For obvious reasons*. ;-)
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*That would give me pretty #1 in webmaster charts with 281 points. Perff would be second with 251pts. ;-))) |
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BAR.
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Don't like the idea to make differences here between Sceners and CSDB users. They should support the CSDB but can't vote for that what they support. How stupid ?
"You can help this database grow by submitting information about the productions/groups/sceners/events..."
"But you can't vote if your not a scener.."
Please think about this, deeper.. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
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Don't like the idea to make differences here between Sceners and CSDB users. They should support the CSDB but can't vote for that what they support. How stupid ?
"You can help this database grow by submitting information about the productions/groups/sceners/events..."
"But you can't vote if your not a scener.."
Please think about this, deeper..
Such thing won't happen anyway. |
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