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Wanderer
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Side border scrolling
Here's a question that I've had on my mind for almost 20 years now.
How do you think side border scrolling was invented?
Do you think someone had sprites on the screen while a scroller was moving and they noticed a gap?
Perhaps someone was watching a depack routine and noticed that the side borders opened up by one raster line. You know the crunchers that used to increment $d016 as it uncrunched.
Or did someone simply break out the programmers reference guide and figure it out?
This is speculation but I'd like to hear your comments.
Oh and here's another... in the early 80's when there were no cartridges I always wondered how games were cracked. You would reset the computer by grounding the first and third pins on the far left port but you'd also lose data in the process sometimes. How would they have done it??? Granted much of it was simple disk error protection but it would still require you to reboot and load a monitor to view.
p.s. I think the easiest crack of all time had to be Flight Simulator in which, if you viewed the sectors it read "23 READ ERROR". You changed the 23 to a "00" (for OK) and it was cracked.
Mike
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Graham
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Any demos or other examples from him? There is a lot of dudes who claim that they have been first, but didn't release anything. |
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tlr
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Quote: Any demos or other examples from him? There is a lot of dudes who claim that they have been first, but didn't release anything.
Flash XI, unfortunately undated but I'd say 85-86 (the other Flash intros where on the same disk)
There seem to be a couple of examples in csdb from the end of 1985. I'll do a search later. |
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tlr
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Quote: Flash XI, unfortunately undated but I'd say 85-86 (the other Flash intros where on the same disk)
There seem to be a couple of examples in csdb from the end of 1985. I'll do a search later.
Rambo Music Selector December 1985 by Sodan, but I don't think this was the first.
This first side border scroll I saw was FC-Intros, also by Sodan. Here he claims he was the first to open the side border, but that he had been saving it for a game (The Vikings I guess, strangely not in csdb), and that 1001 had released it before him. |
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Graham
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Ok this one might pre-date the 64'er article. The article came out in the middle of november 1985, and Rescue on Fractalus was out in the summer 1985.
EDIT:
Oh and yeps, Sodan claimed to have done sideborder first, like a lot of others (Xakk etc), but 1001 Crew released it first and that's the only thing that counts. |
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tlr
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Quote: Ok this one might pre-date the 64'er article. The article came out in the middle of november 1985, and Rescue on Fractalus was out in the summer 1985.
EDIT:
Oh and yeps, Sodan claimed to have done sideborder first, like a lot of others (Xakk etc), but 1001 Crew released it first and that's the only thing that counts.
I didn't know that Xakk claimed it... does it say in any of their demos? |
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iopop
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Xakk was formed in august 1986 ... and thats after the first sideborder scroller was released, right? |
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tlr
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Quote: Xakk was formed in august 1986 ... and thats after the first sideborder scroller was released, right?
FC-Intros:19 May 1986.
Border Letter I only says 1986, but must predate FC-Intros as the latter refers to the former.
Edit:
Border Letter II: 7 May 1986.
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Brainwalker
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graham: no, coz i dont have any stuff from the old times left. but there should be some others out there from the old times that can tell you that im right, i.e. alien/antitrax, mws/rwe or irata/trsi. if i remember right, i read somewhere that 1001 crew also said that flash was first in upper/lower border.
anyway, i and other friends of him know that he was first. thats all that counts. |
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Graham
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Don't depend too much on the memories of old sceners. After 20 years a lot of memories are wrong. The only real source of information is the demos themselves.
Border Letter 1 was released in April '86, same as the "reply" Sodans Letter which also features a sideborder scroll.
iopop: Yeps, Xakk was formed in '86 but I read in an interview with one of their ex-members that he claimed to have done sideborderscroll in '85. Anyway who cares...
The demo where 1001 Crew said that it could be Flash or the Bitstoppers who invented vertical border opening was "Soon". They weren't sure though. |
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Fix
Registered: Feb 2003
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I'm quite sure that Xakk, DIDN'T Invent the side-border scroll.
I remember the first demo from them.. bitmap picture with spritescroll below :-)
I always thought that 1001 and Sodan were among the first.
Maybe it's time to search old disks. |
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