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2002-02-17 14:36

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

Locked Entries

I'm not sure if this is a bug, or a design flaw =) ...
When I lock a group, others can still add members to it.
Shouldn't it be possible to prevent others from adding anything to that group, be it members or releases or anything else?

Also, it would be useful to lock the releases of a group _with_ the group so I won't have to go through all the releases and set the maintainer?

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2002-02-23 01:52

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057

Yep.. the people who made changes should be publicly known.. there should be some log for registered users, so even this kind of problems could be regulated by registered users. Main Staff of CSDb simply can't do all the work, it would take too much time to watch everything.

2002-02-23 01:53

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057

Bah.. to make my last words more clear: make the changelog visible for registered users.

2002-02-23 03:51

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

Who cares *WHO* changed it? Is this some kind of "find a person to blame, and kick his muthaphukkin ass" kind of thing? Goddamn, you're lame. We're trying to make this database 100%, and all you care about is blaming people for adding stuff.

2002-02-23 10:51

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

CyberBrain:
This is not about blaiming people for adding stuff, it's about blaiming people for fucking stuff up...
I'm pretty sure even you will agree that the goal is to get this database filled with correct info, not just _any_ info...

and while we are still talking about it... would you kindly delete the production comments you added to the Digital Excess productions by copying right off our webpage? I can add these info in a more suitable manner myself... thanks

2002-02-23 13:33

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

Yes, ofcause the goal is to get correct info, and not just any info. I see your point, that it is annoying that random stuff gets added to your group.

I was reacting to you guys "fuck everybody else"-approach. You must understand that there is bound to happen mistakes (allthough it sucks), unless people only add info on them selves. If there are a diskmag with wrong info, a website with wrong info, a ftp-site with wrong info (etc etc), and someone wants to contribute to CSDb and types in the info from these places, it will go wrong. But, not because of the person fucking up, but b'coz of da wrong info. This will happen, and don't blame the person for that - it could happen for everybody. (ofcause people deliberately adding fucked stuff should be blamed) (+ "human" = "lifeform that makes mistakes")

But if the record was 100% locked that prob would'nt be there, ofcause. But, i guess it is possible that some people knows something about digital excess that even you don't, but mostly it's ofcause not the case. Maybe there could be made a system where the maintainer should accept changes other people want to add, before they get added (or the other way around, decline the changes)? And (maybe) if the maintainer hasn't accepted/declined after f.e. 2 weeks it gets added (to prevent that the maintainers has gone dead).
>and while we are still talking about it... would you kindly
>delete the production comments you added to the Digital
>Excess productions by copying right off our webpage? I can
>add these info in a more suitable manner myself... thanks
Ok, Se7en, it sounds like you're pissed off because i added the releases/screenshots/trivia from *YOUR* web-site to CSDb. If you are: I guess your website doesn't have wrong information, so i did not add wrong info. Also, how da fuk was i gonna know that you were gonna add them a month later? I don't want to ask the groups, if it is okay to add their stuff before i do it. Then CSDb will never get anywhere. (AND, there is nothing wrong with taking information from websites. How can you say that!?!)
(if you were not pissed: sorry :) )

Yeah ok, i'll delete the trivia to the productions of your group (please understand i added them to preserve C64-history (which you're a part of), not to piss you off). Hope you add some better ones then. (*please* do, cause it's better to have short ones, than to have none)
ARGH, sorry for long text.

2002-02-23 19:40

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

this is NOT "fuck everybody else", this isn't even about who's to blame.. at least not when I started this topic...
this is about the - in my eyes - insufficient way the entries are locked in the database

if I find the time I will go through some of the things I added in the past and put the lock on every single item that I think noone has business in editing, but that still doesn't protect things a 100% .. like in the example with the added member to Trans-X _although_ the group was locked...

as for the webpage thing... I do understand this is about preserving things and getting them all into one place, which is a good thing, but in _my_ eyes adding things that are already present on a more or less well-sorted webpage of the group itself should _not_ be the priority of things to add.. that's why there's the possibility to add a group's webpage to the group entry, so people, who are interested, can check things out on their own.. in a way that the group ment it to be presented...
I'm sure this database is not ment to make group webpages obsolete, but first of all to collect data that's hard to find, or collecting dust on those millions of 5 1/4 disks C64 sceners collected...

2002-02-23 19:49

Celtic
Administrator

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807

just to add something, remember, this is a beta version, it is not finsished yet, and the coders still have an inmense task of changing things to this.. nobody wants mistakes, but shit happens.. damn, why is everybody always whining when something nice happens..

2002-02-23 20:14

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

about not adding trivia to things allready on the net:

Well, it is ofcause not the *top* priority, but it still should be a priority to gather as much information about the releases as possible in one place - in CSDb. (+ the user doesn't have to browse through 1000 webpages)

(it would also be kind a' wrong, i think, to not add screenshots, credits or download-links (etc) just because they're allready on a website.)

2002-02-24 12:01

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

celtic: yes, I'm very aware of the fact that this is still beta, and when you check my original posting to this topic, you will probably notice, that this started as a suggestion to improve the database...

CyberBrain: yes, it should be priority to add as much data as possible, but again... the goal of CSDb should _not_ be to make group webpages obsolete... some people spent quite some time gathering info on their own group, building up their own webpage to preserve the things about their own particular group and make it available to public... by simply copying the data from their pages so that (quote on) the user doesn't have to browse through 1000 webpages (quote off) you not only saved yourself the trouble of digging deeper into the disk boxes and the scene, you also discourage building group webpages ... when people get all the info on CSDb anyway, why should I even bother updating my own site?

give it a thought... I still think CSDb is a good idea, but when it's all about copying from already existing sources on the web instead of preserving data that so far lies dormant on C64 disks, I might very well change my mind about how good this idea really is...

P.S.: I'm posting this under a new topic aswell since the way this discussion turns hardly has anything to do with the original topic anymore... so if you want to reply to this, please do so under the new topic... thanks

2002-02-24 12:59

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

Yes back to the topic. Should locked entries be 100% locked or as it is now, or somewhere inbetween.

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