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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Screenshot minimum size
The recommended screenshot size is still given as 320x200, but given the number of releases that include the border either to show border effects or just to give the central area the same context as other releases, the few remaining new productions that use 320x200 now convey quite a misleading impression.
Could we bump the recommended (& minimum upload?) size to 384x272, and perhaps set a minimum size for the IMG element on the summary view so that old uploads are padded browser-side? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: VICE screenshots with normal borders in NTSC are 384 x 247, not 384 x 272. So you either run something in PAL mode (if it will even run that way, see The Credo Demo ) and get an inaccurate representation of the production, skip the screenshot, or have to go through some ridiculous post-production to resize it.
How hard would it be to implement correct aspect NTSC screenshots when making screenshots in Vice? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2979 |
Quoting hedningHow hard would it be to implement correct aspect NTSC screenshots when making screenshots in Vice? About as hard as implementing screenshots with PAL filter. =) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: Quoting hedningHow hard would it be to implement correct aspect NTSC screenshots when making screenshots in Vice? About as hard as implementing screenshots with PAL filter. =)
So they just didn't implement it, then, because reasons, I guess. Sad. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
The screenshot function in VICE is from ancient times, its a seperate render function, it doesnt know about "aspect ratio" or "CRT emulation" at all.
And of course PAL screenshots do not have correct aspect ratio either - only the error is less. And limiting the size to an exact pixel size is silly at best - the dimensions VICE uses are not set in stone, and someone using "full border" gets an equally valid - but different - output too.
edit: rewriting the screenshot feature is on the list of things todo after 3.5 release. at this point various new dimensions of screenshots will emerge. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
To clarify, my comments above were regarding CSDB's limitation on screenshot sizes - I uploaded several that were (I'm assuming) culled by the system and they were directly from VICE. Since VICE is the de-facto standard for emulation, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to have the site accept whatever it generates. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Yeah, someone recently turned the "should" requirement into a "must" in his head and is on a mission. Doesn't make sense to me either.
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And of course PAL screenshots do not have correct aspect ratio either - only the error is less. And limiting the size to an exact pixel size is silly at best - the dimensions VICE uses are not set in stone, and someone using "full border" gets an equally valid - but different - output too.
to make that more clear: the screenshots currently use a pixel aspect ratio of 1:1. this is wrong in either case - the correct pixel ratio would be 0,75:1 for NTSC and 0,936:1 for PAL. ie a PAL screenshot should be 359 pixel wide instead of 384, NTSC should be 288 respectively. And even that is wrong, because the resulting image should be 4:3. And of course none of this would work with "no scaling" or "no filters" (you'd at least want double size or it will look terrible). |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Geez, nit pickers!
I'm already happy when there's a screenshot in the first place (although most releases have them by now).
I'd rather have people use a proper pallet, instead of those bleeding eyes causing harsh neon-ish colours. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: Geez, nit pickers!
I'm already happy when there's a screenshot in the first place (although most releases have them by now).
I'd rather have people use a proper pallet, instead of those bleeding eyes causing harsh neon-ish colours.
+1 |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Indeed :) It would also make a lot of sense to relax that rule to "must include full screen including borders" - as the actual pixel size doesnt really matter at all. |
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