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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Tags (yet again)
It is still unbeknownst to me why tags weren't implemented yet, or why are some so stubbornly against it. This portal is almost completely based on IMDb, and tags are one of the most useful features on that site.
Just a few of the useful features it would bring:
- finding demos containing an effect, record, theme...
- finding musics with a specific style, instrument, musical technique...
- finding images with a certain motive, character, technique, color-sceme...
- finding a specific usage of a tool/utility
- finding a magazine with an article about XY
- etc. etc...
It wouldn't take more than an hour to implement: another textbox on the "add comments" page with the Tags label (separated with commas) -> parsing the field and popping it out on the profile-page (as links, so if I'd click on a tag, I'd be redirected to a search-results page with a list of all those products where the same or similar tag was present).
Of course it wouldn't work right away, populating would certainly take some time. Just as everything else on this site.
Any thoughts? And in case of another instant rejection, I'd definitely love to get a bit more reasonable answer than the usual "I don't think we need it. Oh, and look here's my middle finger too. thxbai"
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Suggestion on how to make both sides happy: Run a testdrive for a month. If it does not work, remove the feature again. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Gropeazi am talking about removing the "ifli" tag when there already is an "interlaced fli" tag.
but since we have a volunteer now, i think thats not an issue.
Uh-oh, my sarcasm-meter is tingling!
I don't see why is this a problem, basically that's what tags for, you could enter both. Actually, preferably both. If someone enters only one version, another user will add the other. The more tags, the better. So simple.
When I want to find a certain motive of a picture, do you realize that at the moment I'm forced to search the god damn comments? And that's usually a hit&miss.
Maybe it will help you if you think of tags as an accessible and visually comprehensible, searchable, compact, crosslinked comment system?
Quoting NafcomSuggestion on how to make both sides happy: Run a testdrive for a month. If it does not work, remove the feature again.
Well there is one side, and then there is Gropeaz, who seems to reject this idea solely on hardheaded principle. I'm not sure he'd approve it even if tags would cure cancer.
Anyhow, one month wouldn't be enough to test a tag system. It will start to do its job properly once enough tags are entered to make a difference. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
does it REALLY matter about duplicates?
after all is something gets tagged Multi colour, Multi COLOR or multicolor, does it really make any difference?
all it means is that 3 search criteria will pick it up. it has no downside what so ever except the extra bit of storage space.
in actual fact, tags have no downside at all. if they aren't entered you are no worse off than you started and if they are then you better off.
A win/win situation |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:I don't see why is this a problem, basically that's what tags for, you could enter both.
and thats why you clean them up, yes.
and did you notice that i choose an example which is entirely stupid because that "tag" already exists?
that reminds me that you also will make sure no info is lost because ppl will blindlessly dump it into tags than creating proper database entries. ie delete the "ifli" and "interlaced fli" tags alltogether and edit the respective entries accordingly. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Gropeazand thats why you clean them up, yes.
You don't seem to comprehend the idea behind tags. The only thing you'd be forced to clean up would be the non-related entries. Everything else is just useful info. Those who enter non-related data should be warned not to do so, on a certain number of warnings you'd do the same as you'd do with a user who spams the database (kick his ass out from CSDb).
Quoting Gropeazand did you notice that i choose an example which is entirely stupid because that "tag" already exists?
And what if I want to tag a demo or an intro with ifli or interlace fli because it contains an ifli picture. How is not a tag at all better than any of those two???
Furthermore, please explain to me how to find a demo with an ifli image in it at the moment? Without tags.
Quoting Gropeazthat reminds me that you also will make sure no info is lost because ppl will blindlessly dump it into tags than creating proper database entries. ie delete the "ifli" and "interlaced fli" tags alltogether and edit the respective entries accordingly.
"ppl will blindlessly dump it into tags"???
Can't tell if you're sarcastic again, or actually serious. So you say that people have the tendencies to add release properties into the comments section? The tags textbox would be a part of the comment section. I am not sure how mutherfucking dumb one should be to enter the properties there instead selecting it from a list when submitting the release. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Groepaz: Do you have any examples of webaites where tags are being misused like you predict? Or what's the reason why you think you know how it would turn out?
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
Well, i am still for it. I think tags can make a valuable addition to the site. But it is in the end up to Perff, and wether he can/wants to code it.
I think groepaz is not 100% against tags in general, he is i guess just pointing out that certain tags already excist. Also, by playing devil's advocate he usually gets out all the potential problems before coding commences :)
To me, something that would use a seperate tag system like jailbird proposes would only add to the csdb.
Now lets wait until klaus feels like reading the forum :) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting CruzerGroepaz: Do you have any examples of webaites where tags are being misused like you predict? Or what's the reason why you think you know how it would turn out?
I'd be interested too. IMDb, which is also almost 100% community driven (and that means hundreds of thousands of potential idiots who could ruin it), has a really awesome tag system. I can't count the times it was useful for broadening my horizons or to find new, amusing stuff. Last time we were discussing tags on the forum and I mentioned this to Groepaz his answer was something like "I don't like it". He's simply not objective in this matter.
Quoting CelticI think groepaz is not 100% against tags in general, he is i guess just pointing out that certain tags already excist. Also, by playing devil's advocate he usually gets out all the potential problems before coding commences :)
But why would it be a problem if a certain tag mimics the release's type or property? Why is it a problem at all if we have "duplicates" amongst tags? I don't see any drawbacks here, except if utterly dumb people enter actual release properties into the tags textbox. Or, if someone wants to mess with the data on purpose, but that's another story. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
To illustrate the process of entering tags.
Clicking on the "Add comments" link would take you here, where you'd enter your desired tags (if there are literally duplicate tags, there could be either ignored or an error message could be sent to the user).
The tags would show up on the profile page with the previously entered ones from other users (of course you'd have the ability to delete or edit entered tags, just as it is possible for any other "comment-section" element).
And finally, clicking on the tags would lead you to a regular search-results page where all those releases would show up which are labeled with the same tags. |
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
To help with consistency, it would be good for a unique tag list to be available to select from, as well as a field to add new ones.
+1 for tags.
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