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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 501 |
boobsploitation
So i never understood the fuzz about choosing boobs as a motif. Nude bodies have always been part of art. Also boobs are a thankful motif, as they keep one motivated to continue and finish a picture. Actually i adore and worship the female body. For me, nothing does feel wrong about that. But i somehow feel like there's a lot of mental masturbation going on. So feel free to bring your arguments against boobs forward. Maybe some nice drama will develop from that!
And yes, of course i'll continue drawing boobs, don't bother :-) |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
I dont think theres automatically something wrong with nudity, but arguing that this kind of thing has always existed in art doesnt really make it ok when throughout the same period of history, women have always been treated as second class citizens.
As for the claim that people pixel naked women because they adore the female form, why do most of the naked girls seen on the C64 look like theyve had implants or suffered various unnatural forms of digital manipulation before being converted into pixels? Or why do they generally look poised for sex or ready to give a blow job? Very few C64 pictures depicting naked women come across as a celebration of female form, they more come across as a celebration of the content of misogynistic lad mags.
I would question anyone claiming that it doesnt turn women away from the scene. if an awesome demo was full of digitally enhanced naked men, can we honestly say that no-one would down vote it, or at the very least, make some comment about how the penises made them uncomfortable? Bear in mind that to put things on a truly equal footing, it wouldnt just be one demo, it would be a steady stream of demos over a long period of time with a few forums posts along the way asking whats wrong with dicks in demos anyway?
Oh and one more point, does the C64 scene NEED anymore pixelled breasts? How much further can naked women be taken? Isnt it nice to see a little variety? Its not very creative to just find a picture of a woman that you find hot and create a pixelled version of it.
Its 2013 (almost 2014!) and creativity with computers is no longer a field dominated by 13 year old boys. Excitement over (and arguments trying to justify) pictures converted from the pages of FHM just make us look like a sad, closed, mens' club. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 501 |
Quoting kerouac^towThere was some earlier Algorithm demo with porn animations where people voiced their objections and said that they can't show this demo to their wife, ...
Well, no problem with my wife, i could show her any productions so far, as well as my pics, she's okay with it. Also it turned out that the in fact few girls in scene either draw boobs as well or at least find it a good motif.
So maybe we have to open up a bit and work on our communication with our wifes? :-)
Also if we reduce to the argument of shutting out people, then i'd shut out people who dislike vectors or optimized code. On the other hand i am not fond of how unnaturally girls are displayed in porn, but on the other hand porn does its job, while it pleases any just thinkable sexual preference (if you can think of it, there's porn about it).
In fact i favour having the freedom of art instead of giving me mental barriers due to possibly shutting out people. Art has been upsetting often enough and often enough arts has done more or less often hints about genitalia. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote:Oh and one more point, does the C64 scene NEED anymore pixelled breasts?
Obviously... Yes. :/ |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 501 |
Quoting Deev
Its 2013 (almost 2014!) and creativity with computers is no longer a field dominated by 13 year old boys. Excitement over (and arguments trying to justify) pictures converted from the pages of FHM just make us look like a sad, closed, mens' club.
It is said that there's still graphicans that do their stuff from scratch and straight from heir mind without the need of originals. If you fancy variety, here you go :)
Fette Jahre |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 13 |
Oh great, emerging sexism discussion!
Well, heres my 2 cents,
while I dont mind boobs in demos and are strictly against censoring them because of "political correctness" its a fact that boobs are often put into prods because of
- cheap crowdpleasing
- routine job that has been done a hundred times (probably also by the artist himself)
I can't blame any group of using naked women in their prods if it really increases the amount of PR and votes for it, I would rather put it on the audience instead which seems to be ok with its horny-nerds-drooling-at-breasts-image... |
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ron.sos
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 13 |
8 bit boobs for everyone!
http://girls.c64.org/ |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting DeevAs for the claim that people pixel naked women because they adore the female form, why do most of the naked girls seen on the C64 look like theyve had implants or suffered various unnatural forms of digital manipulation before being converted into pixels? Or why do they generally look poised for sex or ready to give a blow job? Very few C64 pictures depicting naked women come across as a celebration of female form, they more come across as a celebration of the content of misogynistic lad mags.
I would question anyone claiming that it doesnt turn women away from the scene. if an awesome demo was full of digitally enhanced naked men, can we honestly say that no-one would down vote it, or at the very least, make some comment about how the penises made them uncomfortable? Bear in mind that to put things on a truly equal footing, it wouldnt just be one demo, it would be a steady stream of demos over a long period of time with a few forums posts along the way asking whats wrong with dicks in demos anyway?
There are quite a few indeed in old(er) products, but really, how often we see female nudity in "serious" releases nowadays? Even if one or two pops up here and there, I don't see a constant stream of releases with naked women. Or I am missing something. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11176 |
conclusion: revival of dragons and tits is near |
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Beastifire
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 40 |
But only fully clothed dragons, so the zoophiliacs that are into lizards don't get any ideas :) |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
Reading through some of latest posts, I would add that I dont think its an argument of censorship or telling people that they shouldnt do something, its more a question of WHY do you WANT do it?
With a few exceptions, the argument for any kind of artistic expression is pretty weak: Naked girls on C64 releases are *usually* copied images of sexualised photographs. If you release something like this, youre just broadcasting that you support the kind of attitudes which cause half of the human population to be discriminated against
or that youre a massive nerd who gets off on lo-res 16 colour porn.
Also, I dont think most girls I know would be offended by this kind of picture, theyd be more likely to laugh that someone put in so much effort to create it. But a big group of middle aged guys who like looking at 8 bit porn is hardly going to be a pull for them to want to know more is it?!
Jailbird: yes, I agree that the number of demos featuring naked girls has dropped massively from where it once was, but sexist imaginary is still more tolerated and defended than I personally think it should be. |
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