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Pater Pi
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Commodore 1 : lame retro-computer or cool new geek machine ?
Hi,
I think it would be quite interesting (and maybe even amusing) to see how the scene (or scene individuals) look at the new Commodore 1.
Do you see it as a poor attempt to build a new c64? Or do you see it as a great Geek machine which among other features just got some sort of c64 compatibility?
I think those people who do not like the c1 are mainly those who don't like the SCPU either: c64 purists, but maybe I am wrong?
Personally I think the Commodore 1 could be some cool "homecomputer" with great possibilities (one of those is of course the limited c64-compatibility) and be a nice machine to do music, demos, games etc. on it.
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
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Mermaid, I'd label the Amstrad, Spectrum or Amiga "generic" computers too, though with less power. I mean: powerful CPU, and enough power to realistically do framebuffer effects, unlike C64.
(totally personal view) I'd rather to be challenged by CPU power, than complexity of programs, 'cos if they're too complex, they don't get finished :) That's what I especially like in C64 programming: the machine sets the limits for me, no worrying of feature screep :)
As for the 'C=1 is not C64 scene' I was just taking the most anally-retentive view of the C64 scene possible. :)
Now I shut up for this subject :)
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
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Seems my post went missing but C=1 really is a generic computer (by design now) where using a different CPU cart it can have a different processor (ie, Z80) and get a new compact flash file or something and the memory is configged to the new computer you want to emulate. I just want to give people the freedom to choose as I have the freedom to buy my SCPU. I personally don't see the link to the C64 scene. I consider it a great feat that 2 people can do something like this. Horray for the hobbyist. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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when i first heard about c=1 people said that it was gonna be 100% compatible with the c64, so then i thought it had a purpose by being able to replace the dying machines. now i read here 'some sort of c64 compatibility' and if thats correct i dont see any reason why i ever would need a c=1. pc+vice offers me some sort of c64 compability too |
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Pater Pi
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well, hopefully we will soon see how compatible it is.
But i guess a 100% remake of the c64 would be hard with all those chips you can't get any longer; and i guess you would not even get every documentations the developers of the c64 had. |
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St0fF
Registered: Oct 2002
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Cadaver: you didn't get the sence of it ;( Maybe you should read most of the already posted info about the c=1 again!
Programming this machine will be same fun and challenge as with the C=64. We've got some records to set up!
Mermaid: good job!
For me: it's just the same as a C=64, but about 10years younger in functionality and power. The fact that only Jeri does all of it's design makes me accept the fact that it 'seems' like a 10year-old computer.
And actually, I've decided long time ago to create the Monster-Tracker (yeah, 16 SID-channels and 8 for Samplestuff, great!).
For all who didn't correctly understand the Generic-stuff:
This machine will be limited thru it's FPGAs. If you put in another CPU it won't be compatible anymore, same is with another FPGA-config. If you do these changes to the board, then it's the 'ONE'. If you leave it as it's delivered, then it's the 'Commodore ONE'. So we have a whole bunch of extra-usability coming thru the 'ONE'-board, where the 'CommodoreONE' is installed on. Do you get my point?
COOL NEW GEEKMACHINE! Actually cooler than anything before! |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
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Argh.. can't resist :)
St0fF: I'm sure it will be cool to program, that's what I'm hoping, that it'll have many enthusiastic programmers working on it. I know it'll have the features of the C64 expanded, in addition to the framebuffer stuff etc.
But I'm just speaking of my personal viewpoint; to understand my personal apprehension to anything more powerful than C64 (in the sense of game- or demoprogramming), one must know how I bounced through different platforms (C64, Amiga, PC/Dos, PC/Windows) only to arrive back at C64 to actually get something useful done :)
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Dosoo
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Few years ago they talked about WebIt -computer which was supposed to be the comeback of C64. Somehow I have a feeling that this machine is lost and we will see it no more.
What I like to say that there is a possibility that huge Commodore user group may not have enough money and enthusiasm for the new computer. Even CMD's effort showed that most people are quite comfort with the C64 as it is. I myself won't buy Commodore one as I have upgraded my C128 so much. Yet I'm not putting any barriers to development, even this kind of retro-related development. |
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Rough
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Quote: rOuGh: Thank you so much for your extremely thoughtful and informative contribution to this debate.
It's my pleasure.
Seriously, thoughtful and informative posts are pretty rare here, yours was surely one, wasn't it? |
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CyberBrain
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Fuck... why does C64 discussions allways end up in some 'mature' semi-polite/semi-provocative way of saying "i'm innocent n' you're all wrong" (no matter who is right)
(Now, if u gotta battle, u gotta do it rite and just totally fuck the motherfuckers tryin to mess with ya, threathen with voilence, declare wars, etc... that's the real C64 spirit! (oops... guess i'm gonna get some reactions 4 diz one))
Sorry... this was off topic, btw..
About C=1:
Commodore One is cool - but i don't think i'm gonna get one myself. I'm a standart-C64 freak only. Ofcoz it's kool to expand the C64, but still for me the mission with making something on the C64, is to push as much as you can outta da old computer from 1982 (that everybody (also every non-scener) knows from their past), and make them go "wow". The mission is to make stuff on the 1MHz computer, dat'z cooler than the newest PC demos! (maybe that goal can't be reached, but it's the goal anyway!) |
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Pater Pi
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basically most demos are cooler as boring 3d-scenes for 5-10 minutes on the pc 8) |
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