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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1089 |
blue wins, moderators must improve, baracuda out
I understand that the fresh moderation team needs to find its way around how to properly moderate here, so mistakes are made and that's fine.
However, I'm getting a bit tired of the trigger happy thread-closers, especially when the first bans *must* be discussed properly to find out if the correct course of action was taken or not and if the majority agrees with the action taken.
It's starting to look like moderator X gets tired of explaining things, so he closes a thread where a certain ban *should* be explained. Nothing in the now closed thread was out of line and an honest request for more info, and after *finally* giving full info you close it immediately. I think that's completely wrong.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:So if only the account is closed, what holds back a banned person from opening another user and continue with the trolling?
new accounts are manually verified (just try creating a fake account for yourself and see how far you are getting with that *grins*) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: Quote:So if only the account is closed, what holds back a banned person from opening another user and continue with the trolling?
new accounts are manually verified (just try creating a fake account for yourself and see how far you are getting with that *grins*)
I already have one :)
Used it only for a while a really long time ago when I forgot my password and thought it will be easier to open a new account than to bug Perff to reset/resend it. Then I accidentally run into a note with my pass and got back to this one. So it's _that_ easy :) |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
As you said it. You used/created your accound a long time ago. Things can change like they did. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Thank you gentlemen, my curiosity is more than satisfied! :) |
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Tim
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Well.. there is one thing that really does worry me a lot, I do not want to start a discussion here, but maybe take 5 seconds to think of it from my point of view before you think I am just bitching here;
This forum is scene related.. granted, we are a extremely mixed people, mostly of a generation of kids that thrived on either the cracking or demo scene. At least, these two parts of our scene are either the only side most of you like to acknowledge or sometimes even the only two parts of the scene that you know.
Have you ever stopped to realize that there are many sub-scenes running in the meantime? And/or that these scenes did not always follow the exact rules of our cracking or demo scene?
I can give a very good example here, take the german paper magazine Computer Flohmarkt.
It is just one of the very many entry points that led people into our beloved scene.
My personal opinion aside about this niche part of our scene (I simply did not like it in the past), I simply can not refuse that it was not part of our scene and I can not refuse that a lot of current sceners have roots there.
All I care about is protecting our history as at least do many of you that disagree with me on other points, but Ive seen it happen now several times; the general attitude of this forum is becoming more and more aggressive towards people that do not fall into the major categories here and/or do not follow standard protocol.. Ok, so we do not want this place to become lemonish apparently fine, at least then point people in that direction kindly and/or if someone does have history and files to add to our database respect that these people sometimes can fall outside the usual majority opinion and take the good with the bad.
Seriously, if you were non c64 related.. how would you think of a 30+ year old spending his precious spare-time collecting and restoring 20 year old pieces of software? These people must be nuts! ;) and guess what.. they mostly are strange and sometimes do not have the best social skills.
Sorry, but in my opinion the whole barracuda issue is such a perfect example of mixed arrogance and pride from both sides of the line, that in real life it could have been solved with a single damn telephone call.. I just wish I had caught onto it sooner as I know a lot of the people involved, I am sure I could have settled it easily, so I blame myself for not taking action sooner :(
As for the need to explain the ban being obvious or not (just reacting on Radiantx message) sorry, but this being more or less a precedent for future possible future actions I also wanted to know the exact why and how since this mod-team is young and in learning. I hope you can understand that as much as I understand why it for you was obvious.
Cheers
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SECRET MAN
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
Seriously, if you were non c64 related.. how would you think of a 30+ year old spending his precious spare-time collecting and restoring 20 year old pieces of software? These people must be nuts! ;) and guess what.. they mostly are strange and sometimes do not have the best social skills.
Thats exactly the words of my wife :-) Then we are all nuts,or ? |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
Yeah but in the Baracuda case: It is tiring to discuss and discuss and explane and explane and the opposite (Baracuda) doesn't get or doesn't want to get the point. It is also tiring if some always compares peaches with apples. Baracuda is one of the most strangest guys I know and it seems to me that he has nothing else than the scene and so this ban may have hit him hard but most of us coudn't live with him no more. He had his chances but replied everytime with his know-it-all kind. It got too boring and he didn't saw the point coming to just stop the discussion and live with the way the csdb gets run. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
During the 5+ years of the existence of CSDb I have never ever experienced any direct, unfounded negative approach to newbies or new users on the portal. Bordeaux, please give us some examples, I'm very interested to see who else was attacked by the big sleazy mass of proud CSDb oldies. Maybe we're visiting two different CSDbs, but 99% of the people here were always very friendly with newbies who tried to cope up with the C64 scene ( == weren't trolling, messing up with the db, leaving truly idiotic comments just for the sake of it, etc, etc), wether they were producing something or just hanging around the site. I could name a huge bunch of "new faces" who would probably tell you the same so frankly, I'm totally missing what are you talking about...
Edit: as for Baracuda, even the most profane person could notice that he has some psychological issues to solve. No sane person acts like him unwittingly... |
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Nightlord
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
Bordeux: You seem to think Baracuda was banned becasue he had different oppinions than the majority of CSDB. I think he was banned because of the way he reflected his difference of oppinion by enldessly arguing seemingly without the intention of really reaching a consensus(or finding the truth) but with the intention of keeping the argument going (or maybe winning the argument). This very behaviour is called "trolling" everywhere. He additionally performed operations on the data that he was repeatedly told not to do. This kind of behavior maps to "arguing uncompromisingly and endlessly" in say a "real world" town hall etc. and is not tolarated there too
It is perfectly OK to have a different oppinion, but it is not OK turn that into a freaking roadblocker in every thread in a web forum
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Tim
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
@The communist
Fair enough reaction, thanks, but still discussions are just opinions.
I could totally agree with account restriction and locking of files as a measure (although I still dont agree with who owns a file but thats something else) that was fair enough -> preservation is a good reason to lock files.
I however find it hard to swallow that someone is unable to discuss or complain, even if it would be the most stubborn bloke in the world, just because what he says goes against your reasoning.
I saw no heavy cursing or offending from his side.. yes, maybe slight retaliation maybe.. come on, he showed me some of his pms actually.. I would have hit evil mode after only a few of them, wouldnt you?
I guess this view of mine has more to do with general life opinions in matters of freedom of speech, lets face it.. that will always be a discussion as far as humans live :( So whats done is done, I just did not want this to go by unnoticed since I goes against many of my beliefs.
@jailbird
Ill gladly go through the entire forum if I need to, although I hope I do not have to for the time it will cost me, lets call it fair enough if I name a few which come to mind?
c64 video's
Is the first example I ran across whilst just searching (simply because its in the top of c64 productions). Now as an example please lets not discuss whether people are right or wrong in that post, its an example of how easy this place can seem to be unfriendly to newcomers;
Ill take two quotes from Smila the original poster;
..i think i have to reply to this. I MADE A MISTAKE . jesus.
it was my first post here and iam sorry for getting up your nose by posting in the wrong place
i know i posted in the wrong place. but maybe you should of directed me to the correct place to post. the new stuff you blokes do is great and i enjoy it all. to hoth and hollowman, i was trying to be nice!
Just look at that post and tell me honestly.. does this (even though it *might* be true) in any way look welcoming and appealing to newbies?
And Ill even make matter worse.. I seriously wonder who posted
Smila : don't forget that not all sceners are that unfriendly!!! Simply look for the friendly ones to communicate with
On which there was a reply from this newbie saying ..hooray to that!!.. finally feeling welcome?
Want to make a bet that I can name the person now marked as <none> who actually gave that user a friendly and welcome feeling which all of you neglected to deem as important?
To sum it up.. you might not need to agree with me, but please give me some credit that I am not imagining things here or that what I have to say is completely false. I just wanted some of you to think about actions and consequences to prevent things in the future, thats all.
@nightlord
As also mentioned to the communist thanks for your post.
File locking I can live with but yes, I do believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion just as it is your right to ignore it. The ignore all posts from this user button exists for this sole reason!!!
I find it an offence that several of you (might I ad, even some of the people I hold in high respect) here we not flamed for verbal abuse (posts simply removed) publicly. Had you seen some of those you might have understood some of his (re)actions a bit more. As said before I saw it too late and could have solved it.. my bad my conscience problem, not yours.
As for me, you wont find me trolling every thread, it is not my style, but I can understand people going to limits to stand up for what they believe in and I do not think that words or even a 1000 complaining or arguing post without profanity have ever harmed any of you here on this forum. Several pieces of text he showed me would potentially even hurt me to be honest.
cheers
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