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d0c
Registered: Apr 2006
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Paul Norman did Forbidden Forest?
Paul Norman
Paul Norman did Forbidden Forest why aint he given credit for this?... was he a scener?... |
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assiduous
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Quote:the only alternative would be allowing a scener profile for everyone and his mother, which is far beyond the scope of csdb.
you're painting unrealistic grim pictures of consequences for the ideas you don't like. I don't see how "everyone" and "his mother" could be credited in a scene release. and if his mother's piece of C64 work was really used in a scene production then i'm all for allowing a scener profile for his mother.
Quote:please don't. this just isnt possible in a good way right now, and only leads to a lot of mess, like people adding companies as groups and similar nonsense.
then this whole database leads to a lot of mess as a matter of fact. "Let's remove sceners that took part in the amiga scene because this will lead to people adding amiga groups here". Clear 2 rules saying:
1. adding people credited in a scene release is allowed
2. adding commercial companies and their releases is a no-no
would be SIMPLER and prevent "adding companies as groups and similar nonsense". will also cure the database flaw.
Matt Gray is here and no one adds Codemasters. and if anyone does he's told he shouldnt. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:
you're painting unrealistic grim pictures of consequences for the ideas you don't like. I don't see how "everyone" and "his mother" could be credited in a scene release.
it's not only about the credits, but also of who should be entered as a scener, and what qualifies as a scene release. people already added a lot of nonsense in the past, like "commodore" as a group they could credit the cbm charset to. or commercial hardware as releases, including their creators as sceners, and their respective companies as groups.
we have to draw the line *somewhere*. "everyone who is credited in a scene release" might be one option, but the current rule is "everyone who participated in a scene release". the latter was choosen because the other would leave WAY too much freedom and room to add pretty much "everyone". why stop with musicians? if you allow them, you must allow all graficians too, because pretty much every game gfx was used in some scene production too. and you must allow anyone else who ever wrote some code for a game, which then has been ripped by someone for use in a scene production. this goes way too far, and will not be tolerated - atleast until we have found a better solution for this.
and matt gray is here because he made things like Atmosphere One which makes him a scener. (infact a whole lot of the later well known musicians are there for the same reason).
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d0c
Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 186 |
thanks for clearing that up... who's mother should we kick out of the csdb first? :P |
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assiduous
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Posts: 343 |
why kicking when writing 5 words in a scroll text secures an eternal place in CSDB. as a fact I'm planning a demo which mothers of famous sceners would contribute to with some scroll text. we need more females in the scene,dont we. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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no, we need more decent productions. who gives a damn wether they are made by girls or boys? i certainly dont. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Sometimes I get the impression you interpret the db guidelines a little too strict, Groepaz. You're really starting to sound like a broken record on a quest to protect the holy grail CSDb from evil things and keep it 'pure'.
Nothing wrong about keeping a critic view, but please don't overdo. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
it's all about database integrity really. and rules are useless if they arent followed (and sometimes enforced). |
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assiduous
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Posts: 343 |
Quote:it's all about database integrity really
indeed,adding a scener profile for a person credited in a scene production would severely break it. god save the SQL.
by the way,you have mentioned:
Quote:"everyone who is credited in a scene release" might be one option, but the current rule is "everyone who participated in a scene release"
i would love to know the rules. but this one is nowhere to be found :-( who knows what another rule might be. please give me a link to the guidelines so i can know them all. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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Commercial
Generally Groups, Companies and People with a pure commercial Background (like many Gamecoders) are not considered scene related and thus do not belong into the Database. Exceptions are those who do have a scene Background (like for example a lot of composers) that can be backed up by at least one scene release in the Database.
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/help.php?section=rules
and dont start nitpicking on wording and details that leave a bit of room for interpretation now. "backed up by a release" doesnt mean "some of his work has been ripped and used without him even knowing about it", but "he made it for the scene and released it to the scene". yes we should, and will, update those rules and make some stuff more clear, and give more examples. |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
thank you for the link.
now the rules say:
Quote:Credits of Demo entries should refer to everyone involved in the production, including creators of ripped music or gfx.
please explain it to me how I can refer to someone who doesn't exist in the database. cluttering up user comments would be one option, any more nice ideas? |
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