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deizi
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Registered: May 2003
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REAL THING or Emulator?
do you have/or use The Real Thing instead of an emulator? ...and what's your opinion about emulators? (they don't work properly). i'm not really using them anymore. because i have the real thing. :) |
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CyberBrain
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Emulators are good enough for taking screenshots, previewing d64's and organization (and i guess for debugging too - haven't used them for that though). So it's really nice having them.
But for watching demos they still suck ass. Allthough they've been much better, especially after Graham made the PAL-emulation on CCS64 and VICE, they still does not look/sound like a real C64. The feeling of demos (and games if you're into that wierd stuff) disappears, coz' the cool C64-gfx is ruined excatly enough to not look cool.
So still a big fuck goes out to all emulators! |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
I think I never finnished "Over The Edge" if it wasn't for emulators. Having a pixel exact display is a must. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
i do as little as possible on the real machine. when
i make a demo i only run the demo once in a while on
my c128d to check for bugs that dont appear in
emulator(doesnt occur very often if you do as little tweaking as i). and ofcourse i check good productions on
the real thing as well |
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Intensity
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 337 |
Quote: C64 Emulators are now at the point of being nearly 100 percent accurate (Including those with extreme vic trickery)
The main problem is the stable refresh of the display. Most PC monitors do not support 50Hz and all the imperfections (Which would have normally been blended by television) are displayed.
However a Video card with TV out can be used to display the emulator on a Television screen at exact 50Hz rate resulting in an extremely authentic experience)
Shame about the not so 100% sid emulation though
One question : How to get the best out of an emulator (for example WinVice, that I use mostly)? I am mainly talking of the grafic-interface and would like to have a 100% emulation of interlace-pictures.
About the Sid-Emulation, I like using the emulator, as you can switch between the old ans the new sid. Using ReSid give you a nice emulation even it's not 100% quality, but I am optmistic and think there will be soon a ReSid-Engine which can emulate the Sid for 100%.
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
I prefer real thing. This is because emulators are not accurate emulating the C64. I usually program on real C64, but I had to use Emulator in the past few months because my X1541 cable broke, and I don't have access to an old spec PC, due to not enough room with my setup. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
You have to be careful - don't rely on emulators completely!!! Especially when it comes to SID emulation. So, it's better to test anything, that's been done under an emulator, thoroughly also on a genuine C64, and about 1% of productions will fail one way or another. In my opinion, that's what the real thing is good for - testing. And demowatching, perhaps. Nothing more. I can't imagine myself composing on C64, it's most awkward (probably because I'm too used to Goat Tracker these days :>).
The thing I hate most about hardcore real C64 fans is that they bring the "emulators vs. real C64" issue out too often, just to prove they are better than the others - somehow. There's a phrase "big fuck goes out to all emulators" somewhere above, that's what I'm talking about. Why to waste a big fuck on an useful tool?
(CyberBrain does it for pleasure, I suppose, but still I prefer handsome men to emulators for that purpose) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3054 |
After all this debate shows that we have fianlly grew up. No more flaming about emulators. ;-) |
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Testicle
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Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: i have not encountered a single vga monitor which was NOT able to display 50 Hz... they only have problems with line frequencies, not with refresh rate. but you still won't have 100% smooth scrolling, since windows and linux were not built to have smooth animations.
that's the only - and in my opinion the hardest (or worst) - problem with emulators *i* have: the missing smooth-scrolling. but, emulator are pretty good though and i usually use only emulators. i only start the real c64 when i have much time. the problem is, i still have no transfer-cable, so i'm bound to emulators.
i think it depends on the purposes. and for my purposes the emultators do their job very well.
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fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
Quote: After all this debate shows that we have fianlly grew up. No more flaming about emulators. ;-)
thats because kiddy fiddler Murdock isn't here :) |
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CyberBrain
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This has been really interesting reading. So for most of you guys, C64 is really an emulator here in 2003? You code for the emulator, make music for the emulator, watch demos on emulators (etc)? |
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