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8bitforever
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New 8-bit TV-computer
A Commodore 64 competitor has arrived again. :-)
Has anyone some experience with the "Educational computer" or "8-bit TV-computer" or "Victor-70" or Famicom ?
All names above are names for the same computer.
It´s based on the 6502 processor.
It can play NES cartridges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSLZ-x-GxM
http://www.itexaminer.com/12-indian-computers-tip-up-in-silicon..
http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKPP1
http://playpower.org
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Lax
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I checked the site mentioned in YouTube -http://playpower.org/
They are talking on a project of $10 computer. They claim that for the 3rd world, even $100 is too expensive.
I think it's a missed opportunity. Why not make a real commodore clone for a similar price (or just a bit more). If it will have to have a nearly full backward computability for the C=64, Then it will gain a huge collection of software and games, many of them may be donated for such a project by the copyright owners. I can imagine a huge Rom that contain tons of stuff, and the possibility to add much more.
Can you imagine a mass production of a C=64 clone? Most units will be sent to Africa, it can accumulate to bigger amounts than all the C=64 that was sold 20 years ago.
Anyway, it's nice to imagine such a thing :-)
Is it practical ? ;-)
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chatGPZ
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nes-on-chip solutions are readily available, and cost almost nothing. thats why. |
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8bitforever
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I came to think of the C64 DTV. That was cheap and almost one chip. Hope it will go into production again. |
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taper
Registered: Dec 2001
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I would love to see the C64DTV manifactured again, in an updated form with cartridge port and better SID emulation.
That said, it's way too late to try to outsell the Famicom clones. They have been manifactured in millions allready, and for many, many years.
But sure, if anyone wants to compete with the 10$ computer idea from Playpower, why not go for the C64DTV design as a competitor. Then again, I'm not too sure that Playpower's approach will work anyway. |
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ne7
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i've had a couple of these clone famicom keyboards since about 1999/2000 they've always come with Basic (as that was available on the Famicom anyway at some point in the past) but never seem to have any way of saving anything so they are pretty darned useless for any dev work :)
one of the keyboards i had did come with a parallel port which i seem to remember i managed to hook up to a old crappy printer and got some text to print -once after a huge amount of effort- but that was about it :D
andy
ps a good tip when looking for these odd bits of kit is to look for 8bit game or 8bit compatible or 60pin game in the description of the unit you are looking at (ebay is a good one for finding loads of these :)
if you want a good laff check some of these fruity clones out: http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=8%20BIT&IndexAre.. |
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ptoing
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WTF? The NES is not a clone of the Famicon. They were both made by Nintendo. |
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madcrow
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Famiclones/NESclones are all pretty much crap anyway. Despite the fact that the NES hardware has been unencumbered by patents for several years and is very well documented in the C source code of two or three different very accurate emulators, the Famiclone makers are STILL using the same inaccurate and crappy early 90s ASIC designs used by the first pirate Famiclones. Someone really needs to come up with a good open source NES in VHDL and maybe then somebody might use it to make a good Famiclone.
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please have pity on the n00bish emu kiddie responsible for the post above. |
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taper
Registered: Dec 2001
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Ptoing: Mne? Perhaps you should re-read the thread? Nobody is saying that Nintendo did not manifcature both the Famicom and the NES. Are you totally missing the point here?
Madcrow:These cloned chips are ofcourse still used because they are dirt cheap. Why on earth would the pirate manifacturers spend money on perfecting the chip, when it in fact can play more than 90% of all available Famicom/NES games (some with glitches yes, but why would they care?)?
Perfecting the chip would take time, time equals money and the cost of the clone would increase. And let's face it - the only reason those clones sell is that they are so damn cheap. A used NES from ebay is way more expensive than a clone. |
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Stingray
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I bought a NES clone (meant to look like a PSone) while I was in Mauritius 2 years ago, I got the expensive version (The Spider Man Bundle with 1000 games!). It was 400 rupee (around $12). The thousand games were just the same 10 - 20 games repeated 100 times ha ha, and there was no Spider Man game. I remember the box stated something like Realistic Digital Graphics, Digital Stereo Sound & Worlds Most Powerful Console. Had fun with it though and the control pads have DB9 connections on them.
I remember Escom once talked about relaunching the C64 in developing countries. |
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taper
Registered: Dec 2001
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Stingray: Hehe, I have saved some of the boxes for my Famicom clones, and while some are kinda honest displaying "8-bit System" and such, some others have the same super-giga-power claims as yours. :) And, pictures of PC or console games on the back, totally unrelated to what's in the box.
By the way, your clone joypads might have a db9 on them, but they will not work on a c64 anyway, as the Famicom/NES use a serial transfer protocol for joypads. I wouldn't try to plug them in, actually... the CIA/6526 might not like that... :) |
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